Special Guest Expert - Tom Antion
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Announcer:
Welcome to The MIND BODY BUSINESS Show. The three keys to your success is just moments away. Here's your host Brian Kelly.
Brian Kelly:
Hello everyone and welcome, welcome, welcome to The MIND BODY BUSINESS Show. I say this every show, but tonight is additionally special. I am so excited! I have goose bumps poking through this jacket. I'll give you a close-up if I could. It's a reunion, a reuniting that has been too long in the making. I'm so excited to bring on this special guest expert. You have no idea the value this man brings, every single time, over the past decade that I've known him. He's just over the top. He always brings the value and I can't wait for you to meet him. We're going to do that in just a moment. Before we get started though, for those of you that have not heard of The MIND BODY BUSINESS Show, I just want to give you a quick overview The MIND BODY BUSINESS Show. What is that all about? Well there are three pillars to success, that I have found, in my now 54 years on this planet, of patterns of successful people. Most successful people have mastered all three and the first would be MIND: in other words, mindset. They have a very positive champion mindset and can get through the hard times. I'm going to go more abbreviated tonight than normal because I want to get our guest on this show. BODY: successful people take care of themselves. They eat the proper food, they exercise, and they are at the top of their game in body and business. BUSINESS: is multifaceted. There's sales, there's marketing, there's team building, there's scaling, and there are so many facets. If you were to master just one of these three pillars, then your business and your personal life would skyrocket. I kid you not, mastery, though it takes time, it takes repetition, and it takes experience. That's what our guest expert has, definitely, a multitude of of experiences in his life that have led him to super success, that you're going to find out about here in just a moment. So what I'd like to say is it's like a tripod. MIND, BODY, BUSINESS. Each one of those is a leg. If you kick out one of those legs, what happens to that tripod? It all comes tumbling down. Now I'm not here to say that you must have mastered all three, but what if you were in the process of mastering at least one, to start. Then move on to the next and then the next. If you're in the process you're on the right track and that's what this show is all about. It's about bringing on guest experts like our man Tom Antion, who's coming on very soon. He is The Man in two specific areas Mind and Business. No doubt this guy has crushed it and is super successful. I can't wait for you to meet him and that reminds me of success. Looking back behind me, reminds me of that and that is, many years ago, I remember being flown out to the east coast to strike up a deal, to sign a contract with a gentleman. He was a CEO of an infomercial company, crushing it; a multimillionaire. He had a corner office, of course, had me flown out there, picked me up in a limo, and put me in a hotel. All at their expense and I met with him for two days, in his office. and it was amazing, an amazing experience! There was, at one point, where I'm sitting on his couch, in his office. Not his house, but his office and he's talking to me. He's standing and I'm sitting. He's looking right at me. He said, "Brian, if people only knew. If they only knew. If they just did this one thing, it just is one thing, they'd all be super rich. so by now, I'm leaning in, it's like, "okay, what is it?" So he turns around coyly and walks to the opposite wall. There is a ceiling to floor, two door, cabinet. He goes and grabs both handles looking back and spreads them open. He opens them wide and reveals something very similar to what you see right behind me (gestures to the bookshelf behind him). That was shelf, after shelf, after shelf of books. We're not talking just any books. We're talking about business books, about personal development books, about fitness books, about mindset books and you name it; anything to get him to that next level of success. It was on his bookshelf, and I made a crucial error at that moment, I decided to discount that advice. In fact, I ignored it because, to me, I'm thinking I could go to the library and check out all these books for free, so there's no skin in the game. It can't be that easy. That's what's going through my mind and I decided to discount that completely. So thankfully thankfully, many years later, I ran into another gentleman who would become my mentor. He was many years my junior. He literally could have been my son by age. He's a brilliant, brilliant young man. I ended up working with him in his company, for years. I spoke on a stage for several years. At one point I'm in his house and he's walking around wearing headphones. I said, "Hey man, what are you doing?".
Brian Kelly:
He's like, "oh what? Oh, yeah I'm listening to a book."
Brian Kelly:
Now I thought, "Wait, what? You're listening to a book?" I haven't yet heard of this. This was a little while ago. "Tell me more about that.".
Brian Kelly:
So he said, "yeah, man, there's this app, called audible, that I use. I download them and I listen to books.
Brian Kelly:
I said, "oh my gosh! I'm going to try that." For me, personally, opening a book and reading it, physically on paper, I get really tired. I get fatigued. I can't stay with it that long and my attention span goes with it. So I started listening. I said, "this is awesome!" I became a voracious reader as a result. Now finally, full circle back to the very advice that I should have taken many years ago. I'm not here to cry over spilled milk. I'm just happy with all the experiences that happened in my life, in the exact order they did. The beautiful thing, is I was introduced to this amazing concept, called reading. With audible you can tap on the screen at any point while you're listening and it instantly stores a bookmark. I thought, "this is genius!" How many have you, out there listening, have ever read the same book more than once? I'm sure just about everybody's hand is going up. What if you could just zoom straight to those moments of interest and save yourself an extra hour-and-a-half to two hours of listening or reading, by going to these bookmarks? So that's why I started doing. What I want to do with you right now, is share one such bookmark, in a segment, I appropriately named, bookmarks.
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Brian Kelly:
(Displays another screen with a quote: The #1 Reason for lack of Success is NOT Simply a Lack of Reading Books... It's the Lack of Reading the RIGHT Books! - At the bottom shows another quote from Brian: I've compiled my own personal library of books and resources that have resulted in catapulting my success, and now I'm going to share it with you.) Yes, there it is. For those of you watching and listening, be sure to take notes. Do not, in other words, do not go to these resources while you're watching the show. You do not want to miss Tom. That's why and he's coming on very soon. I promise. I kid you not. What we're going to do is quickly go through, REACHYOURPEAKLIBRARY.COM. What is that? It's a resource I built, literally for you. It's my gift to you. What it is, is a compilation of those books that I've listened to over the recent years and there are around 40 on this list. I'm falling way behind. There's a lot more that I listen to that are not on this list. There you see them scrolling up now (Screen displays more info) and I give you a link to go purchase them. This is not for me to make money. It is for you to be able to filter out books quicker and know that these have at least been vetted by one successful entrepreneur. At least that way you're not just throwing darts at a dartboard and hoping it sticks in the right area. That's going to be good for you. So every book I've ever read is not on here. These are only those that have had impact on me and what I want to do, is Segway over into one specific bookmark on one of these books. It's so appropriate for the gentlemen you are about to meet and that book is Everyday Millionaires by Chris Hogan. What I would like for you to do, right now, is take out a pad of paper and a pen. Take some notes, throughout, this point forward and take notes vigorously. Everything from now on is gonna be super super high value so go ahead take a quick listen. It's a just over a minute in length. This is Chris Hogan once again in Every Day Millionaires.
Chris Hogan:
The idea, the notion that wealthy people are simply lucky lottery winners, married into money, or have some genetic advantage that normal people don't have, is a myth. And it's one of those that will keep you from ever becoming a millionaire yourself, if you believe it. Waiting for lightning to strike, the myth that millionaires are simply lucky, takes a lot of different forms but they all come down to one main idea: obtaining wealth is random. People view wealth like lightning strikes, as though they have no control over when and where the million dollar lightning bolt will strike next. They say things like, "only special people strike it rich," Not me, they think the only way to build wealth from nothing is to marry into money or invent the next iPhone. Since wealth is random, they see the lottery as a valid strategy. Hey if building wealth is simply a game of chance, why not? Even if they don't play Powerball or mega millions they may believe that wealth comes down to a DNA lottery, a random mix of intellectual or physical advantages that enables, only some people, to become famous actors, athletes, models, or inventors. I think that every one of these things is an excuse.
Brian Kelly:
Powerful, powerful. How many people do you know that won the lottery as a strategy to become a millionaire? There are many. I've met many myself and the cool thing is, we have a bona fide multimillionaire waiting in the wings. He's chomping at the bit to get on this show so he can speak his piece and I can't wait for him to come on as well. So let's do that shall we? Let's bring on, the one and only, Tom Antion. Here we go.
Announcer:
It's time for the guest expert, spotlight savvy, skillful professional, adept, trained, big league, qualified.
Brian Kelly:
There he is ladies and gentlemen, the one the only, Tom Antion!
Tom Antion:
Brian, how you doing?
Brian Kelly:
Oh man I'm doing really good now. Now that we are reunited and it feels so good.
Tom Antion:
Well wait a minute. One second now. I noticed earlier when you said, "okay, Tom's got the mind and the business," and you specifically ignored the body. I got plenty of body to go or not. (laughter from both parties)
Brian Kelly:
You've got a rockin' body buddy!
Tom Antion:
I got extra for everybody.
Brian Kelly:
Well, in all seriousness, you are an avid tennis player. We were talking before you had an injury, recently, that's kept you from doing that. So you've got that going. It's exercise.
Tom Antion:
No, I lost 100 pounds since the last time you saw me. That's not a joke that I lost the girlfriend. Actually I've been on a ketogenic lifestyle, so a low carb and that's the only thing that's ever worked for me.
Brian Kelly:
Congratulations and excellent! I'm so glad to hear that, because even though I love it when there's more of Tom to go around, I don't mean that physically. So real quick, I'm going to intro you properly here Tom. Before I do, I want to remind our guests that are watching live, especially those that are watching live, to stay tuned to the very end, so that you can enter to win a five-night stay at a five-star Mexican resort! Compliments of my good friend Jason Anderson. his incredible company called POWERTEXTING.COM. so stay on to the end. it's not one of those things where you go sit and watch a timeshare. Trust me. I guarantee it because the owner of the company has tested it himself. He went and took his daughter. He said it was amazing! So stay on and I hear, there's a little whisper in my ear, saying that Tom might actually also have a gift for you as well.
Tom Antion:
It's very possible.
Brian Kelly:
I'm going to pile on because I can't be outdone, I'm going to add one more to it. I'm sure it's nowhere close to what Tom's offering, but I gotta give. Tom, Tom Antion, the man right here, this guy has never had a job. Never had a job. He's an Internet multi-millionaire. He's like the guy next door. He's founder of the only licensed, dedicated, internet marketing school in the country. This is amazing@ He's the subject also of a Hollywood documentary called The American Entrepreneur premiering later this year. Now that just opened up a can of worms of so many - Oh my gosh! - I don't know if we are enough time to go through everything because there's so much you want to catch up with you Tom. It's been a long time since we've talked, my friend. I wanted to go a little deeper, if you don't mind -
Tom Antion:
(Laughter) One thing before you get started. Luckily I know you and know that you're a good guy because this trip to Mexico worries me because you could only make the winner somebody you don't like. Then ship them and they're never going to come back. So, I don't think that's going to happen in this case.
Brian Kelly:
It would be like reverse marketing. I love it! No it's not the case in this case or I would pull that offer from the table in a heartbeat. Thank you, though. This is one thing, I got to share with everybody, I love about Tom, he has an infectious sense of humor. I love it! He's so authentic and integrity based and that's on a serious note. The humor is just always on spot. The guy is so freaking talented, in so many ways. He's also a professional speaker and he's been all over the world. I'll let Tom go through this a little bit more but I just want to let people know, they have an unarmed, unbelievably amazing individual in front of them right now. So definitely take notes. Get active on Facebook. Say hi to Tom, so that he can then, look you up later and we'll give you a way to look up Tom at the end. So what I wanted to do is find out a little bit more; go deeper, Tom. As much as you're willing to go, so people can get to know you a little bit more. In that light, you are super super successful in most people's eyes. There might be some that might say, "well, I don't think he's that's successful," but that would be like Richard Branson, I think. You've already reached a super high pinnacle of success in most the planet's eyes. What continues to get you going, like when your feet hit the floor when you wake up in the morning, what is it that's going through your mind that says I'm ready to tackle and take on a new day? Versus, well I can just go back to bed and sleep for another two hours. Then if you don't mind adding onto that, please let us know, and me as well, what are your latest projects in which you are still working?
Tom Antion:
Okay. So the absolute first motivation, when I get up in the morning, is to make sure my dogs don't pee on the floor. (laughter from both parties.) I get them out the door. That's the number one, you know, you've got to have priority in your life. So that's number one. Number two, which is carried with me most of my life, is a Japanese principal called Kaizen, which is continuous improvement. That's exactly what's going through my mind. Get my shower, get the dogs out, and taking care of them. Then get busy taking care of customers but it's always involved, is continuous improvement. In fact, we have two weekly meetings with my staff, by Skype, and at the end, each person tell them what they're accomplishing. They have to tell something personal; something in which they are improving. It's everything with me and everybody around me. That has to be part of the deal. If you're not moving forward, you're moving back. So that's pretty much it is continuous improvement.
Brian Kelly:
That's powerful. I love that! How you get them into the personal space and get them in the habit of doing the very same thing that has helped you to become so successful. Why not? So you're basically injecting a culture into their lives, of your business model, at the scene.
Tom Antion:
Yeah. A lot of them have been with me for many, many years but I don't necessarily encourage that. I encourage them to keep growing. If they want to take off on their own, they've got all the tools that they learned while they were working for me. I don't know if you remember Ilya. Ilya Pozin was my original geek in 1997. He's the millionaire in Los Angeles. He's probably doesn't live far from you. He's involved in Pluto.TV and he had SCIPLEX, a major web design firm there, and he started with me in high school. So I'm always wanting to see people grow. If they're not. I'm kind of wondering why? What's their life like if they're just cruising? You know I always want improvement.
Brian Kelly:
There's a lesson right there, Tom, for so many people who are working with people. They're apprentices, VA's, or our employees. That's a huge lesson, to teach them to be able to spread their wings and not worry about them leaving. Give them the tools so they can leave and you can just repeat the process with another person who has the talents they did.
Tom Antion:
Yeah, it's a little bit of a hassle on me with retraining and starting over but the thing is, I make deals with them. I've trained them. We go on and on and on for lifelong associates and friends after they they leave. When you try to hold people down, they're gonna resent you in the long run and you're probably not going to get the most productivity out of any way. This isn't an atmosphere in the world that people are waiting for their gold watch after 20 years. (Laughter from both parties) My deal is, we help each other, as we're together. Then we go our separate ways and we're still friends. They're way ahead of the game because of me. So I like that.
Brian Kelly:
I think that's a model for success for any company, no matter what size, no matter how many people you have. I love that! In fact, I'm using a similar approach with apprentices that I've been working with and it does nothing but give you better results, from every.
Tom Antion:
You know Brian, I love to give tips; actionable tips -
Brian Kelly:
Yes.
Tom Antion:
For people out there. This brings up one right now, is my hiring practices. You don't want to age discriminate but I really, as the tech business, internet marketing business, don't want a 55 year old MBA that had secretaries and can't really do anything. I want a young, tech savvy kid. So I make ads for Craigslist that are kind of mean, a little bit, but the main title of it is, what I want everbody to write down is Paid Intership. Nobody that's, super overqualified, older, and not tech savvy is going to apply for an internship. You can get only young people and you don't get in the situation of offending people. Probably what I'm saying now is offending some people that are in the older age groups but there's no longer acceptable for people in our age group to say, "oh well I'm not technical." It doesn't count anymore. You've got to get technical and be able to operate your darn cell phone. I saw a cartoon once, where this kid went up to his dad, in this house and he said, "Hey Dad. If you increase my allowance, I'll give you unlimited, in-house tech support. (Laughter from both parties) That's the way it is with these kids nowadays. I teach people how to recruit young people, out of high school. I like high school best because they don't have as much drinking going on and parties and sororities. They're thrilled to death that they're not flipping burgers or cutting grass. They're doing the stuff they love on computers. When I recruited my first kid in 1997, my God, he stood behind me and watched me on my computer. He's ready to explode, he's like, "how could somebody making so much money be so stupid! Just click here." (Laughter from both parties) He was always right. So I just shut up and I took it. Now I'm screamingly fast on the computer because of this kid. The bottom line is this, recruit young people and your business can really take off because they'll get something done in two minutes, that will take you two months if you ever figured it out.
Brian Kelly:
Yeah.
Tom Antion:
It's an important tip to get the young people involved.
Brian Kelly:
I totally, totally agree. I use a resource for acquiring apprentices that are typically in college or recently graduated college. They're younger but they also have a little bit of life experience. Yeah, they might have been doing the drinking and stuff like that, but I do a lot of pre-enrollment, or pre-hiring, if you will, questions to make sure that at least, it looks on the surface, that this is going to be a fit. So far it's been it's been successful.
Tom Antion:
Yes, I used both. I used Craigslist to get a little bit older people and I used a blue-collar high school. I don't go to a fancy school because they got more money than I do. (Laughter from both parties) So they don't need me.
I go to a blue collar high school. By the way, this is another good tip, don't just go down to the high school and say, "hey I'd like to have some kids."(Laughter from both parties) That doesn't work. Policemen told me that. You got to call up ahead of time and make an appointment with the guidance counselor.
Brian Kelly:
I could see Tom at the chain link fence looking in. (Gestures with his finger) Come here. I got something for you. (More laughter)
I got a lollipop here for ya.
Brian Kelly:
Oh my goodness that's so funny!
Tom Antion:
Or I got an iPad here.
Brian Kelly:
Oh well. Well hey you know we didn't get to this. I want to know too You have been doing so many things. I follow you, but what is the latest thing that you're working on now, that you're really passionate about, that you want people to know about?
Well the latest thing is...and first of all, when people see my resumé, it looks like B.S. because I never had a job. You can live like two or three lives if you aren't commuting to work and still with your audible you can make it a traveling university. You can use your cell phone to record things that will end up in books, your videos, and other products. So don't waste what we call a throwaway time. The latest thing that I'm working on, and it's never just one Brian, so I'll just give you a couple of them. You saw what I was doing on Roku TV, which is a on demand TV service, and people like us can put channels up now. That's a little bit geeky and you're really good at geek stuff. I had the scratch and crawl and figure it out. In my terrible topic of public speaking, which most people hate, twelve hundred people signed up for my channel the first day. That blows youtube away and i love youtube, for certain things, for sure.
However, twelve hundred people in the first day, signed up and there was eighteen hundred -eople in the first couple of weeks for a terrible topic, like public speaking, on TV. We're coming out with other channels that have a protection dog company. So dogs are really big. Some people have put dog channels up or get eight, nine, or ten thousand people to sign up for their channel in the first week. So this is really powerful. Then we took the same stuff and took it over to Amazon Fire which is another kind of little, technical stuff, you got to work through but once you get through it, like I'm sitting here. I haven't looked at the channel for a week and thousands of people are watching many hours of my stuff when they're starting to buy stuff. So it's a whole new market of people that I never reached with email which has been my primary source for over twenty years. So that's the latest thing we're doing. We're also doing chat bots. If you go to my Facebook page, that's Antion and Associates, and you click message you'll meet my little chat bud, Screwy. He's my little buddy. You ask him questions. Then he answers them and ask you, "Hey you want to look at this. Do you want to look at that?" If he can't figure it out he sends the message to me and then I answer you. So that's why we usually get an instantaneous feedback rating for answering questions on our business page. Screwy is there 24/7 doing it. So you can have a lot of fun with it.
I don't pretend that it's really me. I have my little characters Screwy and he's helping you out of meeting. So chat bots are going crazy. Here's another tip for you folks. The course that I took on chat bots, they could have easily charged two-thousand dollars. It was one of the most comprehensive, massively great courses, for Free. Free. I happen to use the service called ManyChat and the pro-version is ten bucks a month. You have a free version but they give you this course by two luminaries. It's probably a 20 hour course and it's free. Another good tip for you, if you want to get into chat bots and other than the ten dollars a month for the pro-version, of ManyChat, it's just a little bit of elbow grease to make this happen. Maybe you have a little character made up and I already had the character from my screw to commute, which is my little Screwy guy pounding on cars in the freeway. So I just named him Screwy. I put him on the chat bot and people get taken care of instantly for me, instead of hoping someday, somebody answers.
Brian Kelly:
Wow that's you've been a busy guy, as usual.
Tom Antion:
Those are those are just the fraction of the things we do around here all the time.
Brian Kelly:
It's interesting you brought up Roku because I remember it was just a couple of days ago, I think, that you actually did a live webinar about that.
Tom Antion:
Yeah. I was telling people about the opportunity. I didn't have anything for sale other than I offered to help make the channels for them. It took me about four or five months looking at the forums and asking questions to figure it out because I'm not that technical, but you can do it. There are very good people to help you to do it but that's a really powerful, new medium and people are quitting their cable now because for forty bucks, you can get a Roku box and have thousands of channels out there. I mean I binged watched The Equalizer eighty-eight episodes from the eighties.
Brian Kelly:
It's really cool. For those of you that aren't familiar with Roku, think of Netflix, if you can think of that. It's a streaming through your Internet connection, like you or your own home connection or office service, in this case Roku and Amazon Fire, both are like literally, like sticks, like USB sticks but they are a different connector that goes into your TV. Literally it connects over your wireless Internet in your home and you control it as if you're sitting in front of a TV with a remote and you now because of the way Thom is describing, you can have your own channel on television because of Roku and Amazon Fire. There are more than those coming out.
Brian Kelly:
The cool thing is -
With Roku you might even buy a Roku TV and don't even have to buy the extra box. If you're in the market for a new TV and you think you might want to do this, get a Roku TV and it still has all the other functions but it's already pre-planned. Be ready for Roku.
Brian Kelly:
The timing could have been more awesome, Tom, because a close friend, we both know him, told me about - we had talked about Roku, almost a decade ago, when it was in its infancy, whenever it was just coming out and I went and looked into it. He goes, "Hey man, you're a tech guy, you can figure this out." I said. "I might be able to but I don't want to. It was way too much work and now there are tools out there that make it much easier. It does still take some time and effort, believe me. However, the beautiful thing is, it doesn't cost you more than needed. You just have to have the device. That's it. You have to have the device and that's a one time cost. Then you upload your channels and you're not paying for traffic as if you were on Facebook ads or on YouTube ads. You're not paying for and listen to what Tom just said. How many thousands of people? What was it twelve-thousand on day one?
Tom Antion:
No. Twelve hundred under public speaking, but I have other people that I know had eight to ten-thousand.
Brian Kelly:
Yeah.
Tom Antion:
People don't go on TV and say, "oh, I think I'm going to take some public speaking training." So it takes a little bit to get going with that channel but still, I don't need as much traffic because I have a whole bunch of my own products to sell. Some people put a code on there and ad agency sell ads for you and then you split the revenue with USA. Now there is one other cost involved in that. You probably want to get a Vimeo PRO account to post the videos because they don't do that for you. If your channel takes off really big that's the best bargain right now. If it goes really big after that, well you should be making enough money to up your hosting.For two-hundred bucks a year, Vimeo, you can get hundreds of thousands of views for that amount.
Brian Kelly:
Absolutely. It's serving dual purpose. It's similar to YouTube. They've gone to a paid model which keeps the ads out, which is awesome, and you have more control of the player, now that you're paying for it. You can also repurpose it into Roku channels. It's amazing. They don't have limits on the amount of bandwidth like others do, that would cost you an arm and a leg. I think Tom is inferring about those are more of the big players that are out there for when you need to expand. So phenomenal tips for those you watching, contact Tom. He will help you set up your channels, get going on Roku. I'm doing it myself I'm not as far as Tom is, by any stretch, I actually went and watched his channel the other night.
Brian Kelly:
I was like "Wow, this is awesome!" It was like being there back when I first met you almost ten years ago.
Tom Antion:
Yeah. There are lots of older speeches, training, and how to be funny and all kinds of stuff.
Brian Kelly:
Oh, yeah. The wonderful opening of cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching love it.
Tom Antion:
Right.
Brian Kelly:
For those of you that don't know what that means. Get on Roku and what's your channel name?
Tom Antion:
The Public Speaking Channel perfect or if you happen to be on Amazon Fire, you can find it there too. It's a little harder to find on there because they have a bunch of different categories but if you do Amazon Fire, I'm hosting on YouTube. I don't know why YouTube's doing this but all my hosting is free for the videos on Amazon and on their remote it's like a mini Alexa. You push a button and say, "hey play The Public Speaking Channel and it's not listening all time like an Alexa. A lot of people are afraid of that but you just push the button and there it is.
Brian Kelly:
Yeah I just got my systems, three or four days ago and went crazy on getting my channel set up. I'm one click away from publishing but I was doing that. I was playing with the mike. I did it in front of my wife she's like, How'd you do that?" But yeah you have to press and hold out on mike button. So it's not listening and it's getting ready to come and ransack your house.
Tom Antion:
The Roku remote has a cool feature. You can plug a headphone into it.
Brian Kelly:
Wow!
Tom Antion:
That's a really cool feature. So you have like a miniature wireless headphone and a remote right in your hand. So yeah, it's it's a new world out there folks. Twenty-seven million on Roku people and thirty plus million, as of January, on Amazon. That's fifty-some million people, that I'm being exposed to for pennies.
Brian Kelly:
For pennies. Exactly. If you were to compare that to getting similar traffic on Facebook ads or any type of pay per click system; pennies.
Tom Antion:
Even getting that many people to subscribe on YouTube, which is totally saturated now again. I love YouTube for certain purposes but this is a wild west opportunity that you can really grab a lot of market share right away.
Brian Kelly:
Sweet. Sweet. Sweet. Man, we could just go on blabbing all night and I think we will. Tom said is on the East coast. So it's like 9:00 p.m. there right now 9:05 on the West coast, so I can stay up as long as you want to a time.
Tom Antion:
I can go on forever. I don't know if your listeners have never heard of BUTT Camp. I've got a BUTT Camp coming up on April 27. I came from a comic background. So everybody started begging me to teach this Internet stuff run in the late 90s. They said, "you ought to have a boot camp. I'm like, no, man everybody has boot camps. I can't do that. I'm funny and crazy.
So. So I said you know I'm sitting here making all this money sitting on my rear-end. I'll call it BUTT Camp. I did. It caught on. That's one of the top three longest, ever, running - I think it's probably because the other ones fizzled off - the longest running Internet seminar. It's got a goofy name but it's very very intensive on all this stuff that we do. The only place, and I've done them, in eleven countries except in England they made me call it BUM Camp. (Laughter from both parties)
Brian Kelly:
That's great. Well I hope you got the domain and you're good there.
Tom Antion:
Yes. Oh yeah. So we we do it at my school in Virginia Beach and then people buy the videos that can't come to Virginia Beach. It's not one of these enormous seminars. We keep it small because I hate the logistics. I like to speak at other people's big events but I don't like to set up all this stuff. So we keep it small and then just sell the videos around the world.
Brian Kelly:
Then your training is intense and it's one-on-one because it's a smaller venue, a smaller group of people. So they get people get Tom they get all of him and Tom is so diverse. You had a book out, I recall, I don't remember the name of it but it was like five-hundred-thousand pages thick.
Tom Antion:
The ultimate guide to electronic marketing. Yeah it was a thousand-forty-two pages and I wrote the whole thing in airplanes and layovers. I'm a real big on your throwaway time. Don't waste time.Do something. Listen to your Audible. Learn! Move forward. S I wrote that whole book there and it was went through four editions in ten years before it got so big that - there's a concept and this is another one for folks out there, a relatively new concept in marketing, called glanceable marketing; glanceable. You know a thousand-forty-two pages, people are just overwhelmed with it. So now I've broken it down into a whole bunch of smaller e-books, but glanceable means that you can instantly see something and get the idea. It's very important on tablets and cell phones because they're small screen size. You okay? You look like you're stressed out.
Brian Kelly:
I'm trying to figure out how do you spell that.
Tom Antion:
Oh glanceable?
Brian Kelly:
Oh with a G! (Brian writes the word on his pad)
Tom Antion:
Yeah. Glanceable like you can just glance real quick at it. G-L-A-N-C-E-A-B-L-E or something like that. Glanceable marketing.
Brian Kelly:
(Laughter) I looked like I was in pain, huh?
Tom Antion:
Yeah, I thought OH! The screen quit or something. So that's important. Yeah, this is just a beautiful time to be in business. I mean it's the best time ever. We have these tools. I mean you can go to my website and leave me a voicemail. Just click on a button and just talk to my screen. I'll get an email with your message and I can hit a button and call you and give you a voicemail back. You can start out free I think the service is like fifteen dollars or something. SpeakPipe. (Tom spells out word) You might notice, folks, that you better have a pencil when I'm around because I'm going to lay it on you. I don't like to just sit here and hear myself gab. I mean I have fun doing this, but if you don't get anything out of it I'm wasting your time and everybody time. That's not how I roll.
Tom, that's how I remember you. Talking, telling you that just before we went live, that Tom is one of most integrity based, authentic people I've ever met. Just everything he does. Even how he goes about selling at the back of the stage, which I'm not going to go into the details there. You just have to experience it. I hope, Tom, that someday you get back on stage so I can come and witness that mastery once again. Tom is an absolute expert as a professional speaker. He's an absolute expert, as an Internet marketer, as a tennis player, a dog owner, and a jujitsu artist (Tom laughs) which that last part probably not right but he's some kind of self-defense.
Tom Antion:
Yeah.
Brian Kelly:
The guy is amazing! I don't know how one person can have so much talent.
Tom Antion:
I told ya it's like you can live two or three lives. I told you I was a charter pilot too.
Brian Kelly:
That's right.
Tom Antion:
I got bored. I had five apartment buildings in a hotel before I graduate college. Then I got bored and I said, "you know, I liked to get my pilot's license." I got my pilot's license, became a charter pilot, which was more like a high class chauffeur, basically. I did that for a while. The world is out there for you if you just grab it, continuously improve yourself. Sell really high-profit products, like digital stuff, that's available now. I've been selling e-books since 2001. Ninety-seven percent profit. Folks if you're interested in business, I mean what business is ninety-seven percent profit right? So you have online courses and membership sites. Then all of these things are super high-profit, recurring income. I wrote one e-book that's brought in three-and-a-half million dollars in a four-hour layover at McCarran Airport in Las Vegas. It's still brings in eight to ten thousand dollars a month after years and years and years. That's like two hundred thirty-five thousand a year average, for the past, I don't know, fifteen years, which most people would say that's a rich man's salary right there. However, this is all available to you if you just grab it and it's not hocus pocus. There are a lot of scam artists out there, so you've got to be careful who you deal with but God. the tools are so powerful Bryan. Look what we're doing right now!
Brian Kelly:
Exactly!
Tom Antion:
You can't imagine all the technology that's making it easy so I can sit here and run my mouth (both parties laugh) and let him do all the work.(gestures to Bryan)
Brian Kelly:
I'm so happy to do the work and let you run your mouth because when you open your mouth there's nothing but gold coming out. How many of you watching, either live, or on the recording, even on podcasts later, or on Roku, how many of you would like to know how to do what Tom just described?
Tom Antion:
I think that Brigitta does. I said hi to Brigitta before we started it.
Brian Kelly:
Yeah. Brigitta is amazing. She's another heart-centered -
Tom Antion:
She's not the one. We had a Brigitta in my self-defense class one time. She beat the heck out of everybody. She was little abut as big as the bar of soap.
Brian Kelly:
This Brigitta could probably do the same. She's very fit, very, very fit woman. An amazing mother and wife and has a great family, but what you are just going through. I mean it was like I'm back at the seminar. I'm leaning in. I'm interested. I want to know more. And please stick on to the end because I want you all to have the ability to connect with Tom. He can't take all of you. There's no way he's one person but if you're a fit and he makes sure that you're a fit before bringing you on, then maybe he can work you but you can't do it, until I do that. (Laughter from both parties) I'm first.
Tom Antion:
The thing that I'm gonna give you. I'm just gonna give you a little teaser. It has to do with 7 million and you can do what I'm gonna tell you at the end when I give you my freebie, seven million times. Wonder what that is, huh?
Brian Kelly:
The open loop the ol' NLP open loop or what used to be known in the commercial world as a Zeigarnik effect.
Tom Antion:
The Zeigarnik effect, one of my favorites. Yep.
Brian Kelly:
So you probably know Mark Joyner. Do you remember that name?
Tom Antion:
Oh Mark Joyner is a buddy of mine. He's gonna be on my podcast, as you are too, pretty soon.
Tom Antion:
Yes, Mark Joyner is the only guy on earth that's been able to fake me out, like an email, is personal to me, directly from him. I open it up. Oh! He got me again. He's brilliant. He's gonna be on the podcast, SCREW the Commute, and so are you.
Brian Kelly:
Yeah he's. He's known as the godfather of Internet marketing. He's a psychological genius.
Tom Antion:
Yeah, I know a lot of people tease that, it's an oxymoron, but the army intelligence is what he was in.
Brian Kelly:
Right. Yeah. That's where he cut his teeth and all this stuff. His stuff was so cutting edge I got the Mark Joyner, farewell package. It was called.
Tom Antion:
He he quit for a while.
Brian Kelly:
Yes.
Tom Antion:
He disappeared to New Zealand or somewhere.
Brian Kelly:
Now he's back with Simpleology right? He's hitting that pretty good.
Tom Antion:
I spoke for him years and years ago. It was me and Ted Nicholas and Joe Sugarman. These are massive luminaries at the, I think was the Westin Hotel in Los Angeles, and a lot of people that saw me there, I got them started. You'd recognize their names. They were in the audience at the time. He's brilliant really brilliant.
Brian Kelly:
Alan Skidmore is in the house! How you doing buddy?.
Tom Antion:
Hey! Big Al. What's going on man?
Brian Kelly:
It's been way too long. Hey you're close enough to Tom. You can just give me a high five, man.
Tom Antion:
He's my West by God, Virginia buddy. I've got to say by god if you say West Virginia. I spent 13 years there one one decade.
Brian Kelly:
Oh man, gosh, this has been amazing. There's so much.
Tom Antion:
(Says hi to audience member) Nice to see you.
Brian Kelly:
We're approaching 45 minutes and we've got about an hour.
Tom Antion:
I didn't say anything. I didn't even get warmed up.
Brian Kelly:
No we're not even -. We'll go as long as you want. (reads a note to himself) Describe outline. I'm curious and I think a lot of people watching are curious, of someone who has achieved multimillionaire status. Now those that are watching this might go, come on! Look, the guy is in like a plaid shirt. How can you be a multi-millionaire? Because he can choose what the heck he wants to do when he wants to do it and he doesn't care what people think. That's the way to go. That's the way everyone should want to live is to make choices.
Tom Antion:
Yeah. Oh oh. Couch that a little bit, that I don't try to offend people but if they do, you know sometimes that happens. The thing is, I grew up very frugal. I mean my dad came on a cattle boat. In fact that's one of the basis of the American entrepreneur documentary. It's about me, because the American entrepreneur. It's based on my dad coming from Syria, on a cattle boat into Ellis Island and then becoming an entrepreneur, making me an entrepreneur. I've helped thousands of entrepreneurs. My name is like an accident because he came from Antioch Syria and they named you from where you were born in the early nineteen hundreds. So he was someone from Antioch. When he hit Ellis Island. They're like, they can't read it. They said, "okay, you're Sam Antion."
Brian Kelly:
Wow!
Tom Antion:
That's how I got my name. Yeah. So he put the first electric light bulb in Carnegie Pennsylvania. Talk about continuous learning. He was ten years old, shining shoes into barber shops, saving up his money to buy information thanks from the American school, that was then the eighteen hundreds, started. He bought an electrical engineering course, put the first electric light bulb in Carnegie Pennsylvania and had an electrical contracting firm at 13 years old. (Laughs)
Brian Kelly:
Wow!
Tom Antion:
Oh I should show you. Excuse me. I'm going to grab something. Hold it up.
Brian Kelly:
Yeah. You became a chip off the old block.
Tom Antion:
You see that alright?
Brian Kelly:
Yep you got it?
Tom Antion:
Alright. Well did you ever hear Johnny Cash?
Brian Kelly:
Yes. All right.
Tom Antion:
Well Johnny Cash had a song called, "A Boy Named Sue." It was about an old drunk, who figured he wouldn't be there to, grow up his boy. So he named him Sue. So the kid would be scrappy and get tough. You know, as a child. So my dad was 50 when he had me. He thought that he wouldn't be there and he had only went to the second grade education, but he was just brilliant. So this picture when he tells me when I was the baby, he would put my toys on the other side of a pillow to teach me how to overcome obstacles. To this day, I am unstoppable. Now I won't cheat anybody or step on him to get where I'm going. However, if you tell me I can't do something, What that means is somebody that tells you that folks, that means they can't do it. It has nothing to do with you at all. So he instilled that to me when I was a baby, crawling. They said he only went to the second grade. I remember when he retired at around the 70s, he sat down and read the entire world book Encyclopedia. The 26 volume thing. So he was just brilliant. There's other stuff over here that, is too hard to show you here. So when somebody tells you, you can't do something or you're crazy. I mean, you know you're on the right track and it just means they can't do it. You need to hang around with better people that are more upbeat, that will support what you do. You know that's one of the downfalls that people have, is that people were jealous of them and they don't want them to succeed. They want him to stay down and watch football all day and get drunk and you know, do that stuff. So you might have to you know hang around some different people. It doesn't mean to alienate all your friends. It just means that if you want to succeed you have to do the steps that it takes.
Brian Kelly:
Yes, it's an interesting topic in its own right. I have fired some of my friends. I didn't go and say you're fired, but I would go and step back from them for that very reason. You mentioned a couple of things about watching TV, sitting around getting drunk all day. I'm very curious and I'm sure others are too. What would be a description of a typical day in the life of Tom Antion. Like you get up. You start by doing a shower. You make sure the dogs don't pee on the floor.
Tom Antion:
I just stay in bed and eat bonbons. (Both parties laugh) Like Peggy from married with children. Seriously when I get up, my main concern is to get my act together, in a hurry, to get the dogs out. I have a protection dog company. I have two German shepherds that are up in the bedroom with me and they can turn me into Swiss cheese in about five seconds or so. The main thing is, to get them taken care of. Then I don't really eat anything until noon. I've lost about 100 pounds and I'm on a ketogenic lifestyle, with intermittent fasting, so I don't eat after eight o'clock at night, all the way till noon the next day. As soon as I get the dogs squared away I'm right into the computer. I'm checking the e-mail, check in overnight sales, but more than overnight sales. I'm interested in are there any customers that are having any trouble? That's all I care about because I'm a killer stickler for customer service. In fact, here's something else you can write down folks. I actually wrote a book on this, which is kind of funny. It's my one sentence business play, but I wrote a whole book to tell you how to do the ones. Here it is. I've lived this since I was 10-years-old, selling stuff door-to-door matchbooks and advertising; all the stuff I did as a kid. Here's my one sentence business plan and I swear if every company on earth would just live by this one sentence, they wouldn't have to pay one hundred thousand dollars to pay a consultant for a mission statement. Here's my one sentence business. I create quality products, that people actually want, at a reasonable price and I service the customer after the sale. That's it. Think about that. That is just so simple. Quality products, at a reasonable price, that somebody actually wants and I service them after the sale. So that's the way I've lived since I'm 10 years old. That's why I don't have chargeback on my credit card. I can't hardly remember how to do refunds because I go way overboard putting quality into the products, at a reasonable price, so people don't want the refund. The only time I get refunds is if they accidentally ordered twice. I have a eulogy book that people are crying when they order it, then they forget they ordered it 30 days from now. If you just live a positive life and take care of people, you can make enormous wealth for yourself and sleep at night because you're taking care of people. You can have a wonderful business and do all the hobbies that you like. You can pend the time with your family and spend fifty thousand dollars on a cricket ball if you want it. It just such a great time to be in business. I get so excited about helping people.
Brian Kelly:
Yeah I always say it's such a great time to be alive with technology today. It's not just technology but it is helping a lot. It's helping to bridge the gap from the major corporations to the entrepreneurs, who have the skills. They have the mindset. They have the drive and oftentimes, it's just the bank account that keeps them from taking that next step.
Tom Antion:
I would like to see people watch it a little bit with the young people, with the technology because they're great at it. They're actually opening rehab centers because you see four kids sitting at a table, in a restaurant and not one person said a word to anybody. They're sitting there, looking here. Their getting neck strain. They're having to go to rehab because they're addicted to the stuff. So I don't really like that. If you can find a balance for your young people, I think that that would serve them in the long run. Still, for us, business wise, these tools are unbelievably powerful.
Brian Kelly:
Going back to something you said a little earlier. I teach and preach all the time, but one way to achieve success is to model success. What I want to tell everyone watching and those that are listening, is you have just found one person, right now, that if you modeled, which is a fancy word for a copy, if you modeled Tom Antion then your chances for success go through the roof. This is one person I want everybody to model because of his integrity factor, his authenticity. I mean, what he talked about, that one sentence, that was like, for a lot of people that he may as well have been speaking Chinese. What are you talking about, quality? What are you talking about customer service? It's a lost art and it's not even an art. It's just something you should always do. Now we're talking to someone, Tom Antion, who has proven that approach, that recipe, not only still works but it works better than all of the other ways. Those ways which are shady and underhanded. If you're not going to give them quality and if you're not going to support them and service them, you shouldn't be doing it to begin with, in my personal opinion.
Tom Antion:
If you do it, you're just gonna send me all the money so well.
Brian Kelly:
Or you might end up on one of Tom's scam sheets that point you out.
Tom Antion:
In developing in Hollywood, called scam brigade because I've always been what they call a sheep dog, I have the capability of being really tough if necessary. Don't try to be it. I don't go looking for trouble but I'm a sheep dog. I take care of people and I saw so many people get robbed in the seminar business, that I decided to do something about it. You can see the trailer for that it's www.scambrigade.com. The big Hollywood production company and they said, "Tom we love the show. Don't quit your day job." So they're trying to sell it but I don't know. Who knows. It's Hollywood you know.
Brian Kelly:
Oh, man. I love it, love it, love it. Oh my goodness. We're getting close to the end. I'm going to ask a couple more though because they have to know. You've kind of alluded to a lot of things but I wonder if you could put it in words. You have been successful for a very, very long time. I mean at least ten years I've known you. That's a long time. That's like a half of a lifetime to many watching, maybe a third.
Tom Antion:
I've actually been in business 42 years since I was 10 years old. I'm actually going to be 64 this summer.
Brian Kelly:
What?!
Tom Antion:
I know you can't believe it with my baby face here but what happens when you let somebody else, your boss, stress you out. You know what boss spelled backwards right? Double SOB. (Laughter from both parties)
Brian Kelly:
Many people just want to achieve short term success but I think that's the wrong attitude. Approaches to look at the long term because it'll be sustainable and you can continue with it. It's like winning the lottery. That's short term. Most people self sabotage and lose all that money.
Tom Antion:
By the way, I've never bought a lottery ticket, ever.
Brian Kelly:
Yeah. Why? You have that, in front of you it's called a computer. It's not a lottery. It's a guarantee. What would you say, to those listening, is the best way to achieve long-term success if you were to give it a description?
Tom Antion:
Persistence. It's hard to come by nowadays because of the generations. They have been getting softer, as the parents want to give them everything. So you're not doing your kids any favors, by by making stuff too easy for them. When they get in the real world, it's too easy for them to quit. In fact, an example of this, as I was probably 50 years old; a big fat guy on the tennis court. We pick up games at the tennis courts and I think it was a 14 or 15 years-old kid and he was on the tennis team. He's like, "come on! I'll hit some with you." I'm tearing him to pieces and he gets really mad. He slams his racket down, walks off the court, and his mother's chasing him. "Oh Joey! It's okay. It's ok." If I had done that when I was a kid, I'd be running laps till I'm 40 years old, right? So Joe, he wasn't persistent to say, "hey this shouldn't be happening. What can I learn from this old guy that I could use to beat my friends?" No, he just left. So persistence is something that, if you really instill it in your kids, is going to take them a long way. Also, consistency. I mean, people know what to expect from me. You haven't talked to me for years but you knew what to expect from me. You knew I was going to be on time. I was going to do a good show for you. You just know that because you know my reputation. So that's what you want folks, is you want people to say, "Wow! I know what to expect from that person." Then they won't go looking for the magic bullets all the time. If it's iffy over here and they can depend on you you'll get the business. So persistency, consistency, and then the other thing is frugality. That's not being cheap because I am not cheap, by any sense of the imagination but I'm frugal. I don't throw money away. In fact I grew up, Brian, in this two horse town amused five hundred people in my home town Claysville, Pennsylvania. You can look it up on a map. There's still five hundred people there. It's named after Henry Clay, the statesman. He didn't really sleep there or anything. His horse took a dump there on the way through and that was good enough for us. (Laughter from both parties) We lived in the suburbs. So we're totally in the sticks. Right? So. I had already made it pretty big and I'm coming home and this big Mercedes Sedan when I lived up in D.C., to take my mother around. She always wanted to go to the thrift stores. So I drive up to this big thrift store, pull up in this big Mercedes, and my mother is in there arguing with the lady. She wants this blouse for 15 cents because it had a stain. It was listed at 20 bucks. So that's how I grew. My dad taught me, you don't waste things. He'd buy used lumber and make us scrape the nails out, knock them out, and use the nails over again. We had. 13 wells on our property and to this day I can't let the water run while I'm brushing my teeth. I hear my dad, "don't waste things. Don't waste water." Yeah. So people come up to you and say, "oh well you need to spend ten thousand on a website." Well, I guess we need it. No. We teach you how to do world class websites for one hundred and fifty dollars. Alright. (Laughter) This really made a lot of CEOs mad. I had a website, at the time, it was six hundred fifty bucks. Now it would cost 150. INC magazine had a Best of the Web thing. These CEOs picked my site, out of all these million dollar sites. They said, well, it was easy to get around and we could find what we wanted fast. I beat out million dollar sites with my six hundred dollars site. So this is why I'm talking about not cheap. You want things to represent you well, professionally, but frugal. Don't throw stuff away and the frugal goes with knowledge. The more knowledge you can get, not enough to be dangerous, a lot of people come to me and trying to tell me web stuff. I'm like Oh my God. God help you. But if you get the the deeper knowledge you can do this stuff for pennies. I'm serious and you can reach around the world with this stuff. So persistency, consistency, frugality, and knowledge is my wallet. My bottom line on that. (Brian takes notes and looking at pad) Don't leave me here.
Brian Kelly:
I'm not leaving. I'm taking notes. That's my secret weapon. I'll hit a key to put you on camera and then I can go take notes. No one knows. Then I come back.
Tom Antion:
Oh, okay. So they don't see what I'm seeing.
Brian Kelly:
That's right. That's right. Not everything.
Tom Antion:
All this tech stuff right?
Brian Kelly:
If only they knew. Okay, so we're getting down to it. I want to respect your time, Tom, and everyone who's watching and listening as well. There is one final question, though, that I must ask because I asked every previous guest on this show the same question.
Tom Antion:
So I'm not special? (Both parties laugh)
Brian Kelly:
Well the cool thing is, your answer will be special. Oh yeah. It's something that I found very curious, in asking this question, that was kind of a heavy hitter. If it takes you a moment that's fine.
Tom Antion:
Dead air time is not going to tear up or anything.
Brian Kelly:
Only if it takes you there. It's not the intent. Let's put it that way. It's a good one and I almost forgot I gotta remind the folks watching right now, live. I promised that you can now. You can now enter to win a five night stay at a five-star luxury resort in Mexico and all you have to do, is follow the instructions on the screen. (Screen Displays the Following info: REACHYOURPEAKLLC.com/vacation -or - Text PEAK to 661-535-1624) You can do it in two ways. Text the word PEAK to the number 6 6 1 5 3 5 1 6 2 4. Again, that's peak, P-E-A-K to 6 6 1 5 3 5 1 6 2 4. That's something you can do and I recommend you do right now, as you're watching this. If you're watching on your phone, open a new tab on the browser and or just open your text. Go to the messaging app right now and they can flip back to this. Then the other way is to go on the Internet, on your web browser and type REACHYOURPEAKLLC.com/vacation. Just enter information there. I will receive that personally and choose a winner. You could be the next person going to Mexico for a free five-night vacation stay. And I also want to throw out another gift, if I may. I'm also known as an automation master, not my words. Thank you Brigitta, who is on now. She coined that. I also like to give away things. So if you want to learn how to automate your business and scale it, I'm not going to go deep into this, Just go to the Web site you see on the screen. (Displays new info on screen) It's a shortened url. It's ryp for reach peak, ryp.im/automation. Go ahead and go there. Just opt in you'll get the list, instantly, through e-mail. A little bird told me that there's a guy on this show, right now, that also had a gift that he was very eager to impart upon everyone. So Tom, if you wouldn't mind, go ahead take it away.
Tom Antion:
It's the same idea. You probably have a different set of tools and things that I have. But this is an e-book that we sell for twenty-seven dollars. When I said seven million. Just one of the tips in here, we've figured it out about two years ago. It's probably way more than seven million, saved me seven million keystrokes since I've been online; seven million. That's just one of them. We got all the stuff we use in my business. I've had as many as one hundred fifty thousand subscribers and forty thousand customers. The only time I started hiring a lot of people, was when the accountant called me and said, "Hey, Tom, you have too much retained earnings." I said, "What? What do you mean? I've been keeping my nose clean and I've got to pay more taxes?" He said, "Yeah that's right." So I started hiring people. I mean I had one temp person to run this place, to get one point two million a year, years ago. This is a book that shows all the tools that I use, all the tricks of the trade, with my email signatures, and all kinds of stuff like that. It's got tips for your cell phone. I mean a lot of times, you think, oh well, I could just talk. Well no, in certain places you can't talk into your cell phone. There's the automation tricks that you do send the whole message, just by a couple keystrokes. The whole book is like that. So you can get that by going to screwthecommute.com/automatefree. (Displays info on screen: How to Automate Your Business: 7 Figure Guide to Getting and Handling Lots of Customers Without Pulling Your Hair Out) I've got about a 30 second little message there for you that you can listen to. Then you can download the the e-book there. You'll be reading it and saving yourself time, in no time flat. While you're over there, you might as well subscribe to my podcast: screwthecommute.com. We've got over 100 episodes now and really great reviews on iTunes.
Brian Kelly:
Phenomenal! Thank you so much. (Notification for Tom appears on screen) There it is. There's that voice message, you can send Tom a nice voice message as well.
Tom Antion:
Oh yeah. The bottom, you're right, the yellow box. Right. Just say, "Hello, how are you?" And I'll respond to you directly.
Brian Kelly:
Thank you so much for that gift. I was trying to get over, to type in the URL, on Facebook and I realized I'm sharing that screen. So that was not good form. So let's switch it back.
Tom Antion:
screwthecommute/automatefree.
Brian Kelly:
Fantastic! That's up on Facebook Live, on my profile for those of you watching and listening. That's it Brian Carl Kelly. If you're going to a Facebook profile, I've typed it inside, so just click on the link. It's a great free resource. Thank you for that Tom. Appreciate that.
Tom Antion:
Yeah.
Brian Kelly:
Now, drumroll, for that big question. This one's 9 million. No, I'm kidding. It's one of those questions I've asked every guest expert before you. The interesting thing is, to date, up until now, not two people have answered it in the same, exact way and that's a good thing. I predict that will not last forever. That at some point, there will be a duplication, but until this point that has not happen. So that kind of takes any pressure off, if you're feeling any. I mean Tom's a PRO. He doesn't feel pressure is. He's like give it to me. Bring it on. There is no such thing as a wrong answer. That's my whole point. It's just the opposite. The only correct answer is your answer. There is no other correct answer because this is what it means to you. Are you ready Tom?
Tom Antion:
Yep I'm ready.
Brian Kelly:
Alright. Tom Antion. Tom Antion, how do you define success?
Tom Antion:
How do I define success? Success to me, as I was put on this earth, to help people. So every single time I help somebody, if it's a quick call, that somebody screwed up their email. Somebody is having some other kind of trouble, like for instance, there's people staying with me right now that lost a premature baby. So if I can help them. That's success. Pretty much it's all based on success. Me continuously, helping somebody, do something, that they need help with. I was build strong. I went to a physical and the guy said, "You should have been a Clydesdale horse because I got people half your age, falling apart. So I got the good genes from my dad and it was pretty much, that success to me, is I'm always helping somebody.
Brian Kelly:
Wow! True to form, it wasn't exactly like anyone else said and it's similar to some. Here's what I love about what I get to do with this show and bringing on amazing people like you, Tom. That is to a person, not a single one, including yourself, used money in any part of the response. Isn't that interesting? I think it's because the caliber of people that are coming on this show, are those that care about [people]. It's always the theme. It is usually about helping others. It's always in there. It's always part of it. Either prominent or under the - you could just hear it as they're talking or they'll actually say it as part of their lengthier, explanation of success. So that's the wonderful thing. I get to know someone really deep. I already knew you. This does not surprise me in the least. It really shows the true essence of a person, when you ask that question and I've asked it now, numerous times, and I'll go back and compile a book of these answers of to today's top entrepreneurs and get your permission to include you if your okay with that. I don't think Tom wants more exposure. (Tom Laughs) That's not what he does. I'm kidding. Thank you for that! I would be remiss if I did not allow people to understand or know the best way to get in touch with you. To maybe strike up a conversation and say, "hey I want to learn about all of this stuff that you talked about, on this show. Can you please help me?"
Tom Antion:
Yeah. The simple place to go is screwthecommute.com and there's a resource page there that has all my products, my free webinar, lots of free stuff there, and paid stuff. You can contact me through the voicemail there or send me an email. That's a good repository for everything. I have hundreds of sites but that's the one that's the latest greatest to get you everywhere. screwthecommute.com. You can listen to the podcast. You can get our podcast app screwthecommute.com/app. It makes it really easy to take us with you on the road, on your cell phone, and tablet. Yeah. Leave me a voicemail there. I would love to hear from you.
Brian Kelly:
Okay. There's one (referring to an opt-in page on screwthecomute.com. So either put it in that opt in form or send a voicemail at the bottom, which is barely visible to those watching.
Tom Antion:
They can go to the top. The podcast section and listen to the podcast. They can subscribe on iTunes. All the major places have SCREW the Commute. Then the resource page. I don't think you can see it but there's the little blues thing at the bottom it says Leave me a voicemail.
Brian Kelly:
Yeah. Very lower right. There it came in a little bit better. Send voicemail. Just click on that.
Tom Antion:
Yeah. You can get the free automate books so screwthecommute.com/automatefree. Yeah that's how you leave the voicemail. You just click on it you've got three minutes to leave me a message. If you cuss me out, it only gives you two minutes. (Both parties laugh)
Brian Kelly:
Sweet! (Bryan calls Tom's voicemail) Hey Tom, great show. I love you brother! Let's do it again sometime soon. I hope you don't delete this voicemail.
Tom Antion:
(Laughter) Yes. That came to my email right now.
Brian Kelly:
This is Alan Skidmore (still leaving voicemail). Just kidding. Alright. (Demonstrates on the screen how to send the voicemail) Send your e-mail. okay. Sweet. So send your name and send your e-mail. There and letter rip.
Tom Antion:
Yeah, I'll get an e-mail with a link to listen to you right away. I can get in my e-mail and response to you right back.
Brian Kelly:
We don't mess around. We do it live. You got to love it Tom. Man, I got to tell you. Thank you so much. I know you're a busy guy, to take out over an hour-and-a-half, actually an hour and 45 now, because we went over but I'm not on any clock.
Tom Antion:
I'm hoping people let me know, that what they heard here. They went and tried it. It help them to get their business plans going. I'm good.
I know for a fact it helped me and I'm looking forward to working with you in the future. Very, very, very soon, as we talked about a little bit in the beginning. For those of you watching, reach out and connect to Tom. What you see and hear right now is, what you get. This is the way it is every time I've ever seen him, whether he's on stage, in front of a crowd, whether he's in the back of the room or he's in a closed door room. He's the same person in all three scenarios. True, wonderful and warm-hearted. He loves to help people. Tou just heard it. That's his definition of success. It's amazing! Tom, thank you so much, once again and I can't wait to see what the future holds working with you my friend. I cannot believe your 10 years my senior. That's crazy! That's awesome!
Tom Antion:
(Tom laughs) I'm sixty-four going on twelve. (Both laugh)
Brian Kelly:
That's that's the definition of success right there. Alright. Well that's it for this show. I can't wait to see you all again on the next episode. Until then, everyone on behalf of Tom Antion, the one, the only, be blessed and we'll see you again next time. Bye, bye, now.
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So, here's the big question. How are entrepreneurs like us, who have been hustling and struggling to make it to success, who seem to make it one step forward, only to fall two steps back. Who are dedicated, determined, and driven. How do we finally break through and win? That is the question, and this podcast will give you the answers. My name is Brian Kelly, and this is The MIND BODY BUSINESS Show.
Brian Kelly:
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Brian Kelly:
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Dylan Shinholser:
Yeah, absolutely. So like I said, my name is Dylan Shinhoser. I own a couple of different businesses. I'm owner of a company called, "Experience Events", which is event management. I'm also a director of business development at a virtual event, event ticketing, and virtual event platform called, "ViewStub". As well as a co-host of another show called, "Event Masters", where I just ramble all day, every day about how to produce better experiences. It's really all I know and love to do is events. That is my less than 60-second pitch about myself.
Brian Kelly:
That's a good one, too. I'll tell everybody I've spoken with you in person. We had a call some time ago, and this gentleman, Dylan, is made of integrity and great character. So, reach out to him if you need any assistance in any of the areas he talked about, or if you just want to say hi to a really great guy. Then get in contact with him, and at the end of the show, we'll go through that. Please. Somebody remind me if I forget how to contact each of you. Because that's very important to me. This is the reason I bring this show to the forefront. (It) is to bring people like you into the lives of those who may not know who you are yet, and even those that do, to experience even more of your brilliance, your experience, your knowledge, and your value. It's not about me. This is about you. Always, always. Every time. I have one guest, usually. I just feel like I'm in this big family right now. But let's keep moving. Julie Riley, amazing young woman. Take it away.
Julie Riley:
Yes. So, I am Julie Riley. I am the social media manager at StreamYard. The platform we're using right now. Prior to my time with StreamYard, I owned my own marketing agency. I've been in digital marketing since two thousand and seven. So the very, very early days of the start of it is when I jumped in(to) digital marketing, and I love just being able to help others succeed in their business.
Brian Kelly:
Fantastic, and I will also say that I have spoken with Julie in the past. Both through a typewritten chat form and verbally. I think it was Clubhouse first time, which was phenomenal. Yet another phenomenal person, incredible integrity, and character. And yes, you're going to notice there's a pattern about this with the remaining two. It's the same thing. Hopefully, we can get the last one to talk a little bit. That will be nice. I'm just having fun because we were having fun before the show started. The one smiling. The biggest down there with the green hood; not pointing anyone out or anything. Thank you, Julie, for coming on. Yes. These people, Julie and Christian specifically, I know Christians coming up here in second. They're non-stop. They don't stop working. It's evident because of the very software research we're using right now. It's of grand quality for a reason. It's because of people like Julian Christian who keep everything rolling smoothly on the back end. Dylan's there nodding his head emphatically because he gets it. It's a lot of work, and they're doing it masterfully and we appreciate you. All right. Enough of the favoritism here that felt like favoritism. Julie's our favorite. Timothy McNeely! My buddy, my friend from just a little north of where I reside. I believe. If I remember.
Timothy McNeely:
Central California, baby. Bakersfield. Yeah, my name is Tim McNeely. Today, so many dentists and driven entrepreneurs are just not sure if they're getting advice that really makes a difference for them. They may have a financial adviser who is giving them some advice on their investment portfolio, but they're not really sure that they're on the right track to really maximize their net worth outside of their business. That's what I help them do. Maximize your net worth so that you can keep taking care of the people you love, support the causes you care about, really make that difference in the world, and build an amazing life of significance. I love doing streaming because I get to talk to some of the best of the best out there and share the knowledge with the beautiful entrepreneurial community.
Brian Kelly:
I'll tell you something on a personal note as well. Literally, we talked earlier today, Tim and I, on a Zoom call. He just reached out to me and said, "let's catch up." I had him on the show some time ago as a single, solo guest, and he was phenomenal. We've just kind of maintained a relationship, a friendship ever since. He just wanted to reach out and say, "Hi" and "What's up? What do you want to talk about?" We just started talking about business and things. He gave me resources that will help me in my business, and hopefully, I reciprocated it somehow. I don't know if I did, but it is the people like Tim, like Julie, like Dylan, like Christian. That is the cloth that they are all cut from. They are here to help people. That's why I love entrepreneurs. I love all of you. I mean it. I do. I love you. You guys are amazing. I didn't even get a crack at a Christian on that one. Jeez, I mean... there we go. That's a little better, but I'm telling you, he's working on StreamYard our stuff right now as we're on the show. I mean, I'm.
Christian Karasiewicz:
I'm really trying not to, seriously.
Brian Kelly:
The founder Geige Vandentop. If you ever watch this, there's a message to you. Ease up on your people. Alright? Just having fun. Alright, Timothy, you're an amazing guy. Thank you for spending your valuable time and coming on here. As well as Dylan, Julie, and the ever so talkative one, Christian. I'm not going to attempt to say your last name. I'll let you take care of that one. Welcome to the show, Christian. Let's hear all about your brilliance.
Christian Karasiewicz:
Sure. Thanks a lot for having me. My name is Christian Kerasiewicz. I'm the content marketing manager at StreamYard. So, pretty much anything you see on our blog that we're going to soon be launching. I'm the mastermind behind that. So, I do that. In addition to that, I also host live stream reviews, a YouTube show. We also do on the StreamYard YouTube channel where we invite people on to talk about their live streams and help them work through some of their problems, some of their challenges that they might be having with getting community or building a show. Thanks a lot for having me. I appreciate it.
Brian Kelly:
Oh, my gosh. Thank you again, Christian, for your time and being here. I mean, he's literally building a blog while on a live show. I mean, that's a great thing. I'm not even kidding with this one. That is phenomenal. That is showing such dedication. So, it's more than that. It's passion. It's love. You know? What time is that where you are, Christian?
Christian Karasiewicz:
About 9 o'clock, or yeah... about 9 o'clock.
Brian Kelly:
(Nine o'clock) PM. Ladies and gentlemen, in case you're watching this recording. Yes. By the way, I'm going to be on twenty-five different platforms after this is over. So no pressure, but don't mess up. I'm just kidding. So, this is a phenomenal group of people, and I can't wait to dig in. Christian, just what you just said, what you do is right down the alley of what I was hoping to talk about tonight. It'll go organically, but I wanted to talk about... I mean, look at Julie, and look at Christian, and look at their images. Look at their video. It is gorgeous. Here, we'll start with a really gorgeous one first. Look at that. I mean. If there were nose hairs that weren't in place, we'd see them. That's phenomenal, and there is Julie. Wow. Very beautiful. Even more beautiful. I should just have her up like this all the time, and we can just talk in the background. Because, you know, maybe more people would come on. So, you guys have phenomenal camera setups, and here's one thing I always like to preach to those who are getting into the live streaming game. Does it take money? Yes, it does. It takes resources. It takes cameras, microphones, (a) computer, internet, good internet, fast internet, lighting, doesn't have to be fancy. What I always say though, is, do the best you can with the resources you currently have. OK, I wanted to start it off that way because what we're about to talk about with Julie and Christian is their cameras. They are top of the line. We're not talking a one-hundred or two-hundred-dollar webcam here. I like to let ladies go first. So, Julie, do you have a story when you first turned on your new camera versus when you had the webcam and what that looked like and felt like.
Julie Riley:
Oh, my gosh, I turned that camera on, and it was immediately noticeable (the difference). I actually did a live on my personal Facebook page where I logged myself in as a second user into StreamYard. I had my Logitech camera that I had been using up as a camera and then had my new one. So, I could do back and forth and show everybody the difference between the two. What an upgrade that was. The Logitech served me great for years. It didn't stop me from going live, but that upgrade was immediately like, "oh, I can never go back down now".
Brian Kelly:
So, that so that is one thing. Let's say you're on the road, and I can imagine at some point both you and Christian, maybe, you'll be sent on the road to maybe support conventions and things that are on the road. Now, you want to stream live, what are you going to do then?
Julie Riley:
Well, you know, the great thing about the Sony is (that) it's a small camera. Tripods, portable ones, are small. I can take it with me. If all else fails, and I'm either on my phone or I'm on my little webcam or even my built in webcam, it's not going to stop me from going live. Is it going to be exactly what I want? No, but more than likely I'll have the Sony with me.
Brian Kelly:
Thank you for saying that. I mean, that spoke such volumes. I hope people are taking notes that are watching. Definitely take notes on this. Because, look, the show must go on. That's what I say, and this show tonight is the result of a guest who unfortunately was ill and could not make it on. So, I scrambled and found these four wonderful people to say, "I'll come on and do a panel with you." And that's it. The show must go on, and I'm going to either do it with people or I'll do it solo. It doesn't matter. Consistency is key, and we can talk more about that, too. I love how you're just talking about, Julie. Where, look, I don't care where I'm at. If I've got something and it's my time to go live, and I don't have my gear. I'm doing it.
Julie Riley:
Right.
Brian Kelly:
I love that commitment. So, thank you for that. For everyone listening, that's important. Yes, quality is important. Like I said, do the best you can with what resources you currently have. That includes, wherever you are. You may have a DSL camera that Julie paid five-hundred thousand dollars for. Oh, sorry, it wasnt that much.
Julie Riley:
Thank God it wasnt that much!
Brian Kelly:
What was the model of that again?
Julie Riley:
A6000.
Brian Kelly:
What does it run about?
Julie Riley:
It was about seven hundred.
Brian Kelly:
OK, not too bad. A little bit less than five-hundred thousand. Not much but yeah.
Julie Riley:
Yeah.
It's a phenomenal thing, and I love that that's your attitude toward commitment. I'll tell you. You have a similar attitude...anytime I go and ask for support through the back side of StreamYard community. I mean, like through messaging. When I say the backside, that's sounded weird. When I ask for support, you're always there. I mean, you don't sleep, and I appreciate that. So, keep not sleeping for everybody's sake. Christian, you do the same. So, Christian, what about you? When you made that initial change from whatever camera you had before to this unbelievably clear one year look you're working with right now. What did that feel like the moment you saw a difference?
Christian Karasiewicz:
So, it's very interesting actually. So, this is actually what I was using before. I've been using this for quite a number of years. This is a Logitech Brio. It does do 4K. I invested in this one and eventually came out, and the quality was fantastic. The only thing was, though. I wanted to scale. So this was great for traveling, for example. This is what I took around with me. Super portable. It's got the ability to put it on a tripod. Fantastic, but it did not allow me to scale, so I had to always take up another USB port and all that sort of thing. When I moved to the Sony, the Sony looked very good. I will say the one thing you have to do, though, is you need to go through the settings. There are a few adjustments you want to change. That's what's going to actually enhance your picture quality of it. It's a fantastic camera. It's a Sony 6400. Then, really, the other side to it is also the lens. So I'm using a Sigma lens. So, that I think is the real big difference. I mean you have the kit lenses it comes with. I did make the investment in the the additional lens, which I think that's actually what's contributing to why it looks so good. I will say from a quality standpoint, again, start with what you have. You know, the key things for live streaming. Audio is going to be your most important part. Then also, if you, for example, are using one of these webcams, make sure you have enough light. These things look great with a lot of light. When you don't have a lot of light, you're going to see pixelation. You're going to see distortion and things like that. So, turn it back to you.
Brian Kelly:
Especially with light, if you turn on the green screen feature, you really need to have good lighting then. That's the biggest time. I'm so glad to be liberated from that. Even though I loved it. This is actually a natural well behind me. I painted the entire studio. I actually occupy my daughter's former bedroom. I've been here for four or five years now, and I finally got rid of the cartoon drawings and the yellow paint. I'm a real boy now. I have a real studio. This is awesome.
Christian Karasiewicz:
That looks really good by the way. I was very surprised (by) your background because that looks like one of the standard backgrounds people would normally bring up during a live stream. One that has, you know, the gradient going around the outside. So, whoever did the painting on that fantastic job.
Brian Kelly:
Why, thank you very much. My wife did most of the work to be honest, but I feel like that helps with that. Yeah.
Timothy McNeely:
If you want that comparison between cameras. Right. Christine was just talking about the Logitech Brio. That's what I'm on, and you can see the massive quality difference between Kristen and Julie versus the webcam. So. Right. (A) huge step up.
Brian Kelly:
Yeah, we'll point that out in glowing detail right now.
Christian Karasiewicz:
You're using a green screen. Right?
Timothy McNeely:
Yeah.
Brian Kelly:
Your sound, Christian, is smooth. I mean, you have a great radio voice. Having that microphone, I think will pivot to that too. Dylan, what are your thoughts on cameras? Yours looks actually really decent right now? You're on (a) green screen, correct?
Dylan Shinholser:
Correct. Yeah.
Brian Kelly:
It looks really clean. You've done a good job with all the lighting. It's almost like you've done this before, and you know what you're doing.
Dylan Shinholser:
I try. Yeah. So, I actually when I first started doing it, I started listening back on my phone. When this whole pandemic hit, I was using the one inside your laptop and realized very quickly (that) I'm on calls all day, live streaming shows and stuff. I was like, "I got to set my game up." So, I haven't made that leap yet to the DSLR, but I will. I'm on a Logitech, one of the models. I won't even lie because I'm not that tech-savvy. It was expensive for Logitech, so I bought it. I was like, "it's got to work." So, yeah. So, that's where I'm at. I agree heavily. I think it comes down to, because we get asked it and I know you guys get asked, it comes down to what you can afford at the moment. Then always trying to push the limits of production value. Right? My background was a wall. It was just like random yellow wall, and now I have a giant green screen wallpaper now. So, now, I can be wherever I want which is a concert. That's where I want to be, and that's where I'm going to be.
Brian Kelly:
You're the one on the stage, brother. Not the audience.
Dylan Shinholser:
No, I'm actually the guy behind the stage. I never want to be this. It's actually weird for me to be in front of people. I'm the guy behind the stage telling people to get on the stage.
Brian Kelly:
Pushing them forward. Well, you do a good job, Dylan. I wouldn't know any different. Maybe your calling is to step out from behind and be on front more often.
Dylan Shinholser:
We will see. Twenty twenty-one has a lot of stuff, and I've got a long way to go. I got super bored in twenty-twenty so I might as well talk.
Brian Kelly:
I've gotten to know you a little bit over time, and you've got a great personality. I think you need to shine in front of more people. That's my humble opinion.
Dylan Shinholser:
I appreciate that.
In the front, not behind the scenes. It's okay to be behind the scenes on occasion, but someone like you with your personality and your integrity, your character...get out there, buddy. It's a disservice if we don't get to see you. Let me put it that way.
That's what a mentor of mine said. He was like, "dude, you're actually being selfish by not talking more and getting it out." Because like I said at the beginning, I only want to help more people create better experiences and events. Make them flow better and make them more money as humanly possible. At the end of the day, I just want to travel the world with cool people and do cool things. I've learned a lot, and a lot of people need some of that experience. So, I got a stern talking to by one of my mentors. He was like, "dude..." I was like, "alright, it's alright. I promise." I started live streaming then had to get better cameras, better lights going on. It's crazy up here in my little command center of all these different lights, webcams, and monitors. Everything you need to do to pull these shows off.
Brian Kelly:
Yeah, I love it. Christian, go ahead.
Christian Karasiewicz:
So, I want to throw something in there real quick. We talked about various types of cameras. If you're just getting started, use that built-in laptop, the webcam. So then you can take it up a notch. You can go to the Logitech. The C922. That's about, I think, a 60 to 70 dollar webcam. So, don't overpay by the way. It's about 60 to 70 dollars. Get it from Logitec, probably. If you find an astronomical price on Amazon, move up to like the Brio, for example. If your budget allows it, that's about one hundred fifty dollar camera. Then move up to a DSLR. For example, Julie's got that, the Sony 6000. I would also say if you happen to have a smartphone, this can be used as a webcam. Essentially, if you think about it, this is a thousand dollar camera. Because you paid a thousand dollars for this device of sorts, and this will give you some phenomenal picture quality. If you already have a smartphone and you don't have to have the latest iPhone, it could be pretty much any iPhone and Android phone. You just need an app such as one called,"Camo." There's one called,"Erion." So, there are lots of apps out there. Don't think like, "hey, I have to now go drop a bunch of money." Look at the phones you have lying around. Those are going to be great ways to fix your picture quality.
Julie Riley:
I've been going live since 2015, and I only had this camera last year.
Brian Kelly:
That's it. You keep reinvesting. I had a good friend of mine who were business partners. He said, I'll never forget it,"sales drive service". When you're making money, you're able to invest. You're able to up your game, and I love that. So many great points. You can just set a phone on a tripod and your camera will look better than many people's webcams. For sure. One of the things that I would recommend, this isn't just a plug StreamYard, is to get at least get the free plan. Do they need any more than the free plan to be part of the community, Julie?
Julie Riley:
No. They can come to join the community even if they're just getting started into streaming. We do like everybody to have the free plan so they have an understanding, but we'll still let you in. Agree to the rules. That's the big thing. Yeah, come join the StreamYard community. It's really a "stream yard" community.
Brian Kelly:
It's a very valuable place because questions like what Christian just addressed are often asked (What do I need?). I'm just starting. I'm a newbie. I see that so much in there. What can you do to help with a camera or microphone or computer? You can go there if you have those questions and ask, and the community will fill in the blanks wonderfully well because they're a great bunch of people. Just like Tim down there who's gotten pushed to the side for a while. So, Tim, is this your first camera that you've been using for live streaming so far? Did you have one before it?
Timothy McNeely:
Yeah, right. I started with just an HD one. Right. Logitech and then jumped up to the Brio. Been happy with that so far. But, you know, it's interesting how the game keeps growing again. That's the thing, right? Just get started! Just do this. I started with just using zoom and recording those for my interviews, and then I realized (that) I need a better platform. I need a way to kind of do that live production. Now I'm doing Stream Yard and got intros. Just get started with whatever you've got and kind of build that proof of concept. You know, I recently just upgraded my lights because I bought the cheapest lights I could at first. I just wanted to do something, and done is better than not done a lot of times.
Brian Kelly:
I totally agree with everything you just said and like what Christian was saying. If you're going to put money into anything, make it the audio side of things first when you upgrade. I was fortunate. I started over nine years ago streaming live. This is a DSLR. Not a DSLR. Good grief, XLR microphone. It's old school. It's not even USB. So I plug it into a mixer board, and from there into my computer. I've used it for years. It's been just amazing. I've never had to do anything with my sound as a result. For you, there are great USB alternatives now. Oh my gosh, there are so many out there. Someone like Christian could probably point you in the right way. Someone like the StreamYard community could push you in the right way and tell you,"these are the ones". I have a connection with the guy who is a sound expert. I've never heard of this before. He has a studio that does 4D sound. I don't even know what that means. Four dementional?
Christian Karasiewicz:
Sweet.
I don't know what that means, audibly. He was telling me about speakers in the ceiling. I'm like, holy moly,. You don't need that obviously for a talk show like this, but think about the possibilities and have fun with it. The bottom line is, when you go on and go live. Enjoy yourself. I'm trying to do that a little bit with these fine people tonight. Thankfully, they're still here with me. I haven't upset them too great, especially Christian. I keep picking on him. Poor guy. I appreciate you all, and it's okay to have fun on your show. Would you guys agree with that? Is it okay to have a little bit of fun?
Julie Riley:
One hundred percent. If you're having fun, your audience is going to be having fun with you.
If you're not having fun... I don't believe in doing anything that I don't find fun. It's a life motto of mine. If I don't want to do it, I don't want to do it. Yeah. Like you said, Julie. If you're not having fun with it, then how in the world do you expect the viewers to want to have fun or engage or interact? It starts with you.
Brian Kelly:
Absolutely, absolutely. One of the things I wanted to pivot to is something I'm deeply interested in because the product that came up earlier when I did the quick ads spot. I like to solve the pain points that people are having in their live streaming experiences. I'm curious. I'll bet, Julie and Christian, you guys have seen and heard a lot about that. I actually had a team member of mine from my company put a poll up in the form of a meme, a graphic. What's the right word? I am having trouble with words these days. It's an infograph. That's it. Simple. I was a little bit shocked by the result, but I was just curious what you guys think. What are the biggest pain points you're seeing? (Either) that you're having individually. Tim, if you have that as well. Dylan as well. Dylan, you probably hear about a bunch of it as well. What are the pain points you are seeing come back over and over and over again? I'm having a horrible time trying to find another guest on my show if they're interview style, or the tech is just blowing my mind. Even though StreamYard is so simple. I'm having trouble with x, y, z. Let's just go around the horn. Dylan, if you don't mind, I put you on the spot. Can you think of any of those pain points that keep coming up over and over again?
Dylan Shinholser:
Yeah, absolutely. The biggest thing I see is they underestimate what it does take. I totally agree. Why I promote StreamYard to our clients and everyone I possibly can is because of the ease of use. People go into it and think shows are just like setting up the webcam, and they can be. Setting up the webcam and just talking. Right? There's a lot of back end stuff to this. These shows and I'm learning that as doing my own now. I'm like, holy cow, I'm about to hire fifteen people because this is absurd. But, yeah. I think that's the biggest thing that I see is underestimating it, but also at the same time, they overcomplicate it. They have to think (that) they have to have all these bells and whistles and seventeen thousand cameras and two million dollar microphones. It goes back to our first point of "just do it". It doesn't need to be overcomplicated, but understand going into it, there is some work that takes and understand that you do have to respect what it takes to put these on. At the same time, don't overcomplicate it. It's funny how people work. They overestimate or underestimate it, but then heavily overcomplicate it at the same time. I think that's the biggest one I see.
Brian Kelly:
I'm so glad you brought that up. I've said this so many times, people don't realize what goes on behind the scenes before the show even comes on live for that episode. The amount of time and effort. If you want to do a live show that's of quality and represent yourself and your brand in a way that you want it to be represented professionally. It takes a good amount of work for every single show. That's why I automated nearly every process (that) I use now. It took time to get there, but you can use a team. You can get a team. Like you said, Dylan, to also help out. For me, it's all about quality, and more time is spent before the show by far than the show itself. After the show is over, another good deal of time is spent. That is in the minor edits, the repurposing, the marketing, and everything else that goes beyond. The live show is this tiny window of time, and it's the fun is part of it by the way. When you have everything automated, the rest is not "not fun" because you're not doing it. It's all automated, but definitely great. Thank you for that. Julie, what has been some of the big p.. sorry to wake you up there. What have been some of the big pain points? You are wide awake. I just starttled you. You've seen over and over, I bet you've seen a bunch of them.
Julie Riley:
Oh, my gosh. So many, you know, especially because I'm approving all of the comments that are coming into the group. I think one of the huge ones is that the hesitation of people who believe that they have to have everything perfect. That they have to have all of the backdrops, the overlays, the banners, the super expensive microphone, and the super expensive camera. That they have it. The room behind them is messy. They haven't thought about turning to just a blank wall because they're like, "well, then I don't have a fancy studio set up." They get to this point where they're trying to create perfection, and perfection is a fairy tale. It doesn't exist. There is no such thing as perfection. There is, again, where Dylan said the overcomplicating it. They've got to really just slow down and go, "what do I need to get this process going?" What is the minimum to make it happen? From there, then I can then build on it, and build on it each week. Go, "okay, I got live. I got the first one out. I got the jitters out. I hate the way I sound." When I had my agency, I would tell my clients. They'd be like, "I can't stand the way I sound." I'm like, nobody likes the way (that) they sound. There's actually, and I say this all the time, there's a term for it that is a term for not liking the sound of your own voice. I tell people, you have to get over that fear. They're like,"I don't look good on camera, I don't know how to be on camera." The other thing I tell people is to set up a fake Facebook group with nobody else in it but you. Go live in there a bunch of times and just get those jitters out. Get that feeling of pressing the button and going live. Then invite your husband in, your sister, your mother, or whoever. Somebody so that you're talking to somebody. From there, build up each time. As we said with the cameras, again, you can you can slowly build. You can slowly add in the overlays. You can slowly add in the backgrounds.
Brian Kelly:
My goodness! I absolutely love it. I have my own Facebook group that I use just for that. Nothing more. I go in there, and I test things for StreamYard and other things in there. I go live in there because there's no substitute for going live. We've got more buttons to click, and things kind of change their arrangement just a little bit in the window. If you practiced it 20 times without going live, then you go live you're going to go, "what the heck just happened?" I don't know what I'm supposed to do now. That was perfect. Perfect advice. I love that. We've got a comment coming in or two or three. Yeah. Kelly, crucial. Kruschel. Sorry if I got that wrong.
Dylan Shinholser:
Kelly Kruschel. It's Kruschel. She said she's on my team. She's a friend. Hey, we've got a supporter.
Brian Kelly:
Love it. Love it. Then Fran Jesse, I know her. I'm getting ready to make my first video essentially input. Yeah. Reach out, Fran. We're friends. I will give you assistance in any way you want because this is the greatest this is the greatest avenue for media on the planet, in my humble opinion, for so many reasons. One is people get to see you. I love clubhouse. It's also phenomenal in different ways, but people get to see you. They get to interact with you. They can engage with you, and they get to see your essence. It doesn't cost you, the studio owner, studio time. If you do this in the old days when you have to go to a television studio and you want to do a show, it would cost you thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars just to use the studio. Let alone get the media time to put it up on a television station. We're living in wonderful times. It's the greatest time to be alive, in my humble opinion. I'm a tech geek. I'm not young anymore. I'm fifty six, but I can't wait for the rest of what my life has to hold. Yes. You're welcome, Fran. Any time. Wonderful. Wonderful. Alright. Where were we? I got all messed up and loving myself there. We're going to have fun. I'm being real. This is like... I don't know. I'm the most relaxed (that) I've been in a long time with everything that went on today. It was one of those weird, everything-going crazy days. I feel like I'm at home with you guys. That's why.
Dylan Shinholser:
It's been one of those years.
Brian Kelly:
Thank God that last one is over.
Dylan Shinholser:
Yeah, yeah. Sure.
Brian Kelly:
So, okay. Pain point. Let's go back around one more. Tim, what do you have?
Timothy McNeely:
Yeah. When I first started doing this, my whole goal was to get out there and to talk to the different experts in the different areas of the challenges that my my clients face. I started off as an interview show and just using Zoom to record the video. Then all of a sudden I had the video. Now I had to put an intro in. I had to put an exit in. I had to extract the audio so I could do the podcast. My team members and myself were spinning our wheels. Just trying to really kind of create a workflow around the creation of this content so we could get the message out and help people with their challenges. For me, all of a sudden, the revelation was (that) I can do this live. I can have people type in (and) ask comments as I'm doing the show. Not only that, from start to finish, I can produce the whole thing going live. Right? You go live. You can play an intro now. You can throw in little commercial breaks. You can throw in the outro, and then it's done. Download the audio. You throw it up, and now you've got your podcast. You don't have to upload video to YouTube and Facebook and LinkedIn. It's done for you now, automatically. So really my biggest pain point was just the production side of things and putting everything together so that I could keep talking to people and doing the fun part. Right? I don't want to get caught up in all the details of making this. I want to talk to people, learn, and share that knowledge. Really, a lot of the pain point, just using StreamYard has really been absolved because it's a turn-key easy to use platform.
Brian Kelly:
Amen to all of that brother. Here's the key for everyone that's ever going to do a live show or has done one. The most important part is that you show up and you be the talent. That means you need to be dedicated mentally toward what the task is at hand. If I have too many things going on, like production-wise, which I used to when I didn't automate things. That's in the back of my mind. Did I dot every "i"? Did I cross every "t"? What's going to screw up on this show? Versus showing up fully for my guest. Being there for them. Getting out of myself and my own business and being present for the other person, that's what I'm about. Lifting up the other people, that's what my show's about. It's important to me.
Timothy McNeely:
Actually, if I can touch on that talent piece, Brian? I think he brought something up so important for everyone listening to this. If you're doing any kind of a show where you're interviewing people, chances are (that) the person you're talking to (is) a little bit uncomfortable. Your job, as the talent, is to spend some time before the show really crafting what it's going to look like. What direction are you going to go in? You want to make that person you're talking to look like a star. The more you can rehearse with them and put them at ease, you're going to end up with a much, much better show. Because you've taken a little bit of time to make sure that (the) other person is going to shine just as bright as you do. So, take that time to work with your guests beforehand through interview guides, through little questionnaires. So that you can help prep them, to keep them on a thread, and you can really help them deliver their message. Most people are not trained professional speakers. They just aren't. I've hired some of the best speaking coaches to help me develop messages, stay on topic, and learn how to tell stories. People don't invest time, energy, and effort to do that. You can help them do that through a briefing before you start your live with them.
Brian Kelly:
Yeah. That's why I was saying before, I do a thirty-minute preshow. All of us were on here for 30 minutes getting to know each other, making sure all the tech was good, doing some checkout. You were talking about people being nervous and stuff. That's why I'm riding Christian so hard with all these jokes and stuff because it broke his nervousness. You can see his sweating. I am so kidding. This guy's raw. He's a rock. He's awesome. He's a pro. I love this guy, man. I always pick on the quiet ones. I don't know why that is. Christian, man, you're bringing massive value. All kidding aside, you're very experienced. You're matched for what you do. You've said already so many amazing things. What about you, brother?
Christian Karasiewicz:
I'd say this. I think a couple of the pain points. I think one is people want to ask, "how do I get better at my live stream?" I think (that) the first thing is practice. To Julie's point, I think you mentioned having overlays, backgrounds, and all this other stuff. Look at it like this. You want to show your audience as well while you're helping them. You're doing this with them. You have everything at the same time, and you're trying to make everything perfect. Your audience is going to be like, "I'm not going to stick around this person because they've done such a good job already. I won't ever get to that point". They start having that self-doubt. The key thing is going to be practice. You don't have to have every single one of the overlays. Maybe start with the the intro or the thumbnail, and maybe you have an outro for example. (Those are) the first two things you do. As you build the show, then you can add segment graphics. You can add videos. So, you can scale it, but you don't have to have so much at one time because then it's just too overwhelming. That's point number one. Pain point number two is that people, for some reason, think that they're going to immediately be able to monetize their live stream. I say pain point because everybody's like, "oh, I bought all that equipment." Now, you've got to figure out how to pay for all that equipment, you know? If you're struggling already with your business and growing it, then you're not going to immediately monetize live stream. You have to have an audience. You know, you have to build that community. When you go live, they're tuning in because (of) the social platforms. They want to see that you're bringing viewers, they want to see engagement. So, point number two is monetizing your live stream. There are ways to do that, but don't always set out with monetization being number one. It could take a couple of years to monetize. So, get started. Build on it, then make those investments as your business is growing. Yes, mic drop. Yes.
Dylan Shinholser:
Do you have that mic? Just a mic drop? Because I might need to get one.
Brian Kelly:
It's actually super.
Dylan Shinholser:
Yeah, super real.
Christian Karasiewicz:
That's pretty cool, actually.
Julie Riley:
I like that.
Brian Kelly:
It's actually part of a magic trick that you put in a paper bag. It's a long story, but I found one more affordable that would not break my keyboard because that's what it landed on. You didn't hear it. Oh, my gosh. Golden nuggets there, as usual, from Christian who I give a lot of hard time to. I'm going to stop because you're amazing dude, and I don't want to get mad at me. I want you to be my friend. So many great things. So, you said two years. I was like, wow. I was watching an interview. How many of you have heard of Lewis Howes? Former professional football player and turned incredible entrepreneur. He's all over the place. He was being interviewed, and the guy interviewing him asked him a question. He said, "so, Lewis, if someone came to you, and they were talking about the fact they wanted to start a podcast. Now, we're talking just the audio version. That's what a podcast really is for everyone that may not know it's audio-only. Not video, even though they're going that way." He said, "well, here's what I'd tell them. First, you got to actually be consistent. Whenever you decide to do it, do it at that same day and that same time every week or multiple times a week. Whatever that happens to be. Number two, more importantly. You must commit yourself to doing that for at least, the magic number, two years. If they are not willing to do that, I would tell them, don't even get started." We didn't talk about monetization. None of that was discussed during this Q&A. That was telling. Who was I talking about this earlier with earlier today? It's not necessarily about monetizing. It's about building your platform, and I wanted to add to that. It took me in two years. I was just hitting that moment in time of my live show. That's when the momentum started. He was spot on, and so are you, Christian, about the two years. Then using a certain strategy (that) I use, I continually ask for referrals in a certain way. I eventually landed the one and only Les Brown. Some of you know who that is. Some of you don't. I've noticed some don't and Im like,"what rock are you living under?" He's amazing, and he's been on my show. Because of that, the two-year commitment is my point. Not talking about monetization. Then what I found after doing this for two years and striving for excellence all the time in every facet, I'm talking about the preshow communication with upcoming guests and the setup and the prep that they all go through and my system makes sure they do. The show itself and then after the show, all the post-production, everything that goes into it. Once you have that, people notice and my show, without my intending it to be, became an incredible, powerful lead magnet for my business. Focus, just as Christian was stating so properly, does definitely, positively impact your business. If you do it right. You do it high quality, and again, within reason within the resources you have. Go ahead, Christian.
Christian Karasiewicz:
I was going to say. That's another point that people look at, and they want to generate revenue off of it. That revenue may not be actual money upfront. It may end up being (help) (to) drive more leads to my website. It's not necessarily driving more people to my social channels. You're following is... It's OK. That's not going to necessarily grow your business because you had five more followers on Instagram or something like that. It's potentially getting them back to your website, which can be an opportunity for them to schedule a coaching call with you, maybe buy a product from you, learn from you for example. You're not going to get every single person to become a customer, but you're going to be able to use it to generate more leads.
Brian Kelly:
Totally, totally true.
Dylan Shinholser:
That's why I do it.
Brian Kelly:
You see on the top of this screen "streaming live on" and then five. We're doing it to eight right now or seven right now. "Listen-on" down below. On the bottom, there's actually twenty five of those like us could fit them all. Roku now was on Fire TV. Look, you're not making money from those, but here's what happened. How many of you have heard of Kevin Harrington? Shark Tank? Original Shark Tank? He has a partner named, "Seth Green", and they do a podcast together. They've been doing it for years now. They have five-hundred plus episodes. We got introduced, Seth and I. I met Kevin. We shared the stage once. I'm not name-dropping, but yes, I am. It was awesome, and it was fun. Seth reached out. We were connected by someone else. We were introduced, and Seth did his own homework. He came back, we literally talked on Zoom, and he says, "wow, I did some research. I looked you up and, my God, you're everywhere." I just wanted to say, "yeah, that's right." So, you want to get out there. That's why, shameless plug, I call it, "carpet bomb marketing". You saturate with everything you've got within reason. Right? If you can automate it, it can be near or completely free. So just do it. Why not add it to your arsenal? So, it works. Just be consistent to a minimum of two years. Get in touch with people like Julie, Christian, Tim, and Dylan. You might make that even quicker than two years. I'll direct you to the shortcuts that many of us did by trial and error.
Timothy McNeely:
Touching on the monetization piece, a good friend of mine runs one of the top coaching consultancies out there. Right. Very, very successful. Runs a great podcast, great show. I ask him one day. I said, "have you need any money doing your podcast?" He thought for a second. He says, "naw, I've actually lost money doing it. The relationships that I've made...I've made millions off (of) that." If you approach it from that standpoint... There's different goals, but I always approach, you know, what's the end result? What are you looking for out of your show? Why are you doing it? That's how you can measure the success of it. Is it helping you achieve whatever goals you set for yourself?
Brian Kelly:
Totally agree. It's very similar. Isn't it? To writing a book? I'm holding up another namedrop. Yes, it's very similar to writing your own book. Because a lot of people want to write a book and make a living off of the sales of the book. I'm sorry, ladies and gentlemen, most of the time it just doesn't happen that way. If anyone comes up to you and you're talking to them... During the course of conversation, maybe you ask them what they've been up to? Or, hey, I've authored a book. The moment they say that, in your eyes, do they not lift up in an influence in your mind? Right then and there? Instantly. It builds authority. That's exactly what this live show, and live shows like it, are doing. When you're giving evidence of it by spitting it out to all of these platforms, there's no way people can't find you and know that you're serious. You know, it's showing that you have a commitment level. It's showing that you have a quality level of professionalism. It's not about the show itself. It's like, well, if I do business with that person, or will I... Will I want to do business that person? If they're professional. Yes. If they put on a shoddy show, they might give me shoddy service. If I do business with them. Does that make sense? People want to (be) representing yourself in the best. Do it the best you can, but do it. Please, don't delay. Don't try to be perfect. You heard everybody talk. Go ahead, Dylan. You had something?
Dylan Shinholser:
Well, yeah. There's indirect ways to make money with shows, live streams, and of course direct (ways). Right. Direct is selling sponsorships, ad-space, all that good stuff. The indirect monetization is so much more powerful. When I do shows or when I hop on shows or anything, it's literally just to build a top-down awareness of myself. I just want people to know what Dylan Shinholser is. Then that way, because I do multiple things, I'm never trying to sell one product at any given time. I'm trying to sell myself, and what it does is it gives me that outlet to do it. Then if you're hosting a show. Right? This maybe goes into some other topics around how to market and things like that. It's a powerful relationship tool because when you can open your platform to other people that you're looking to connect with. I'm in the business of working with influencers and throwing their events. Well, the best way to connect was get them on my show. It gave me a reason to reach out that wasn't pitchy or sales. It was more or less. Hey, man, I just want to give you an outlet, because I think what you talk about is cool. Tell my people about it. After the show, I was like, "hey, man, what are you doing next Tuesday? I need a speaker." Or "hey, man. I have some ideas (that) I want to pitch you or (some) things. They're more receptive. So, I always do shows and things not about the direct money I get, but the indirect thing. It's the indirect impact that I get from relationships, or people sharing my stuff out and people go, oh man, he sounds semi-intelligent unless they're watching this. Then then they'll go, okay, great. Let me go over to this platform that he runs with this business that he does or whatever because he sounded halfway intelligent on that show. Right? So, I think the indirect monetization is what most people don't... They don't get that the instant gratification of like that five thousand dollars sponsorship check. When I forgo that and go on to bring on much more money on the backend with the people I connect with, in the top influence that I get.
Brian Kelly:
The magic word there was "relationship".
Dylan Shinholser:
Relationships all day, every day. That's all I do- is build relationships, and how can I do it? Do more shows like this. Can I get it out? You're on like forty-two different podcast or outlets here, right? Every one of those. Every time you put a show on it, you're building a relationship with someone on that platform. Even if it's just you talking, and they're listening. You're building that relationship. Everything (that) I do, is built on: how can I develop relationships? Live streams is just an amazing way to do so.
Brian Kelly:
Posting them is one thing. Right? That's a great thing. What I learned through a podcasting expert friend of mine is the maybe not as equally important, but possibly greater importance, is getting on other people's shows. That includes audio podcasts only. He explained how his business skyrocketed when he did what he called, "podcast guest marathons". He would have someone get him booked in his team. He would carve out three days and just say get as many as you can for me. He'd do that. Then when they ask him about how to get in contact with him... This is the gold right here... It's not go to my Facebook page and look up my name and message me. He would tell them to go to his podcast website and from there to subscribe. Now he's building a following. It's genius. It's so genius. I just want to impart that. The cool thing, though, is when you're hosting a high-quality live show that opens the door for you to be a guest on many more.
Dylan Shinholser:
Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Being a guest is what goes back to the authority building. Right? If I can build my authority, I build my influence. If I do have something to sell... If I'm trying to build my brand or whatever it is or I'm just trying to get to as many people as possible to talk about events with them... That authority I call it, "authority hacking", being able to get them on your show. That'll get your show in front of their audience, and then going on to other shows helps you develop your authority. It's like writing a book. I was I'm a guest on this show, this show, this show. It's like writing a book. Your authority starts to become a little bit more when you're leveraging their influence. Right? When you're a guest on the show, if that show has a following, you becoming a guest on that show gives you authority because now you have the validation of the host that everyone is following and love. So, I can authority hack by getting on other people's shows.
Brian Kelly:
It leverges. You have a whole new tribe watching and interacting with you as well. I mean, this is one of the most powerful things people can use. If they just get out of that rut of trying to find a way to make money with it directly, that's when they'll see the real value come through. It's about building relationships. It's long-term. Not short, quick kill. I got to make a commission and run. It's build a relationship. Establish it. If you go into this with the mindset of it not being for directly making money, I personally think you have greater success. The long-term plays always work better than the short-term. Short-term works can work, but they're temporary. The long-term is a lot more permanent and lasting. Just think of all the wonderful bread crumbs you're leaving throughout the world. Through all the venues and platforms we've been talking about. In speaking terms, if you're on stage, that's what we call a "stage swap". Where you would be a guest on someone else's stage in return for them saying, "okay, but I'm going to do the opposite." We'll have you on our as well. The same thing with podcasts and live video. It works really great. Just make sure they're a fit.
Dylan Shinholser:
They've got to fit. (It's) got to makes sense.
Brian Kelly:
Both ways. Yeah.
Christian Karasiewicz:
I want to add something real quick to that. If you are consistently going live, so it's great to be consistent, go live on a regular basis, but also think about the long game. It's a couple of years, for example. Also, don't be afraid to be making changes and adjustments as things are moving along. It's not about substituting equipment. It's about looking at your process. For example, you mentioned Brian, that you have automation on some of the things. Think of smarter ways to take bigger jumps ahead. If I have to send someone an email, and I'm like, "hey, do you want to be on my show?" Then I have to deal with the whole back and forth. Well, okay. Yeah. What time? Then I have to send everything back. There are tools out there like Calendly, Harmonizely. You can send a calendar link to somebody and they can only book a certain slot for example and vice versa. This takes out the guesswork out of having to do all that back and forth. That's a way to work smarter because now you want to book people for your show. You send them one link. The person then doesn't have to send you a message back, and you can even use it to collect feedback for your show questions. There's not a lot of back-and-forth and downtime.
Brian Kelly:
Yeah, absolutely. I do that as well, and it's a godsend. I could not do what I'm doing. I would not do what I'm doing without the automation part of it. I have an onboarding form. You guys all... Most, not all of you went through it, but that was a mini version. Julie, you went through the big version. I then changed it right after I saw that. Like you said, make adjustments. That's what I did. I'm constantly doing that. Improving. I have a document automatically generated in Google Docs with your bio. The answer you had to why you think you would bring value to the show. Also, all the questions you chose to be asked for the show. Some of you didn't see that. So everything's done. The Q&A part used to take hours and hours doing manually. Now I just give them thirty-eight questions. Choose ten, and we're good. You tick the box. You choose what I'm going to ask you. (I) just made it a system, and it has worked beautifully. I don't even use the ten questions hardly. I use maybe the first three. Then we go organically like we've been doing tonight. My God, it's six twenty-nine! Are you kidding me? I'm having too much fun. Real quick. I know everyone that came on in the beginning. You heard this thing about a prize. We're going to do that real quick, and we'll come back and wrap it up. For those of you watching, remember in the beginning I said, "take notes and don't go clicking away and stuff like that"? Now I think Dylan, Julie, Tim, and Christian will also give you permission to do what I'm saying, and that is take out your phone. Take your gaze away from us for just a moment, but you'll still have to look back. Yes, yes. You can do this too. Please, do. What I want you to do....
Dylan Shinholser:
I need a vacation.
This is how you can enter to win a five-night stay at a five-star luxury resort of your choosing. Here's what you do. Take out your message app on your phone. Fire that up- your text message app. Where you would type in the name of the person normally that you're going to text. Instead, put in this number: three, one, four, six, six five-they're all doing it behind the scenes- one, seven, six, seven. I love this. Three, one, four, six, six, five, one, seven, six, seven. If you're watching this and you're not a guest, go ahead and write this down because I gonna take the screen down. I want you to get it. This will be open until the end of the evening. Where you actually put in the message... Where you might put emojis, those kinds of things, not emojis, just two words separated by a dash or a hyphen. Those words are peak (P-E-A-K) dash Vacation (V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N). All together. No spaces. Peak vacation. Send it off, then monitor your phone. You're going to get an automated response back asking you for your email address, and that will then officially enter you into the contest. Compliments of The Big Insider Secrets. Our buddies, Jason Nash, the owner. Dear friend of mine who lets us give this away every single week. Every show, actually. We do more than one a week now on average. So go ahead, get that entered. I can't wait to see who's going to win that. You're going to be asked later, you don't have to if you're the winner, to provide your Facebook information. Just your profile so we can say congrats and give you a high-five online and get others to come watch the show. To be honest, that's another strategy. We're just rolling back the curtain. That's why we do it this way. You can offer incentives like that. My friend has offered that to anyone who is my friend. If you're not my friend, you don't get it. If you're on as part of the panel here, they're all my friends. Christian may differ on that opinion, but I think he's my friend.
Christian Karasiewicz:
I'm your friend. Yes.
Brian Kelly:
Ok, good. I picked on you so hard. I apologize, but you're just you're a fun guy. I appreciate you for putting up with it. I definitely do stuff like that. Implement it and announce it in the beginning. That helps retention. I'm just pulling back the curtain for everybody. You can do different things like that. Having multiple people, I noticed, is also a little better than just one every single time. So, mix it up now and then. Alright. I know we're a little bit over, but I want to give you each another chance for a final parting tip. Anything you want on live streaming. It could be hardware, software, how you smile, what bling you wear, don't wear, your makeup. I'm wearing some, by the way, just so the guys know. Yeah, I don't know what they call it. It's not like guy up.. guy-liner, but it's like makeup. I know. That was bad.
Dylan Shinholser:
I haven't heard of that one.
Brian Kelly:
I just did that. I'm not a young fart anymore. Anyway. So, Dylan, we'll do the same thing. Go around the horn. What would be one final quick tip, or parting words of advice, you can give our wonderful viewing and listening audience?
Dylan Shinholser:
Keep it simple stupid. Don't overcomplicate it. There's things that you need to do and standards you need to meet. At the end of the day, keep it simple stupid will allow you to not overcomplicated it (and) get overwhelmed. Once you get overwhelmed, it's a wash. I would just say as a life advice, event advice, live stream advice, just keep it simple stupid and keep it moving.
Brian Kelly:
Real quick, I got to interject on that. Just so people know that that comes from an acronym K.I.S.S. So we're not calling everybody stupid, for one.
Dylan Shinholser:
Well...
Brian Kelly:
That was great. I have a friend who is Sicilian in nature, and he did this from the stage. He talked about it, and he brought up the whole thing. We're talking about doing it without complicating it. He goes, "It's like K.I.S.S. Who knows what K.I.S.S means?" Someone raised their hands. They said, "keep it simple, stupid". He goes,"Oh, no, no. It's keep it simple Sicilian." He lighten the load of the stupid part. I thought that was cool. Sorry, Julie, what is your parting tip?
Julie Riley:
You know, you're going to have to get started at some point. In order to do that, you're going to have to get over your fear. Go practice. Get those done, but also go watch and find other people that you resonate with their live shows. Start to take pieces from each of those. Now, obviously, you cannot go copy their live show and recreate it. You can pull little things from multiple different people's live shows that you like and that resonate with you. If you're comfortable and things are resonating with you, you're going to exude that comfort and that confidence out to the rest of the world.
Brian Kelly:
I love it. I love it. Alright. The man, the myth, the legend, Timothy J. McNeely. What is your final parting word of advice?
Timothy McNeely:
I'm going to close with a story. The purpose of this story is to illustrate the power of doing a show. July 20th, 1969, the first man walked on the moon. He left his footprints up there. On the moon, there's no wind. There's no rain. There's no weather, and those footprints today in twenty twenty-one look exactly like they did in nineteen sixty-nine. They're going to be exactly the same a million years from now. You too. You leave footprints on the hearts and the minds of everyone that you come in contact with. In streaming and having a platform, that's your opportunity to leave your footprints and to have an impact on people. Get clear about what your message is. What's the impact you want to have? If you do that, all of the other puzzle pieces are going to fall in place for you.
Brian Kelly:
Oh, baby. Okay, I've got to do it. I've got to do it. That was amazing.
Dylan Shinholser:
You have to get one of the little lower third animation gifts that are possible here on StreamYard. It's just a mic drop every time someone does one.
Brian Kelly:
Not nearly as much fun though, bro.
Christian Karasiewicz:
That's true. Fair. Very fair. I'll give it to you. I've got to get me one of those little squishy microphones.
Brian Kelly:
A little sound effect like I just broke my desk or something. That would be good. Alright, Christian, you've had a long time to think about it now. No pressure, but this better be a good one. I'm kidding. What do you have?
Christian Karasiewicz:
Let's see. The best piece of advice, I think, would be don't have gas or gear acquisition syndrome. You're going to watch people doing their live streams, and they're going to go and be like, "hey, I got to get that mic because this person upgraded." Oh, they got a new webcam. Remember? If you develop a plan, the whole thing is work the plan.. work the system. It's great (that) somebody else got some equipment, but it doesn't mean that you need to go out and get that yourself as well. Remember, work your plan. When you get to the certain points, maybe set that as a milestone. If I get to a certain number of viewers, for example, or a certain number of subscribers on a channel, then I might need to upgrade something. Don't be buying stuff just because someone else is doing so.
Brian Kelly:
Sales drive service. I love it. You guys are amazing. Thank you so much for coming on. Everyone who watched live. Thank you for coming on. Those of you that watched on the recording. Thank you for spending your valuable time with us, and those listening on the podcast. The same goes for you. Definitely. I hope you took a lot of notes because these are experts in the field. They are giving their value, their heart, their experience. They only charged me two-hundred thousand dollars for it. It's really been a deal. I'm kidding. They charged me nothing. You got incredible value from these amazing, amazing professionals. I can't thank you all enough. I appreciate you Dylan, Julie, Tim, Christian. Thank you from the bottom of my heart with all seriousness. I know we had some fun tonight. Thank you, Christian, so much for letting me pick on you so hard. You've been a great guy. I look forward to getting to know each and every one of you at a deeper level. If you're open to that after tonight. Appreciate you all. On behalf of these amazing people, that's it. We're out. My name is Brian Kelly. I'm the host of The MIND BODY BUSINESS Show. Until next time we will see you. Be blessed. So long for now.
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